Last Balabushka made

JimBo

JimBo

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I guess when you find out that you are wrong on an issue and you can't twist the argument to go your way the best thing to do is pull the whole thread. It's weak and doesn't help to change a damn thing. Feel free to keep your head in the sand though.

Jim


STOP CUE DESIGN THEFT!!!!
 
JimBo said:
I guess when you find out that you are wrong on an issue and you can't twist the argument to go your way the best thing to do is pull the whole thread. It's weak and doesn't help to change a damn thing. Feel free to keep your head in the sand though.

Jim

STOP CUE DESIGN THEFT!!!!
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Why was the original thread pulled? There was some good discussion going on in that thread. Seems to be a common theme these days. A thread gets a little contriversial and it gets pulled.
 
Worminator said:
Why was the original thread pulled? There was some good discussion going on in that thread. Seems to be a common theme these days. A thread gets a little contriversial and it gets pulled.
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I agree 100% and that's why I posted this, that thread didn't deteriorate into name calling or cuemaker bashing it had some things that IMO need to be brought to light. Seems that now whenever a thread goes in a direction that the person doesn't like rather then try to put forth an intelligent debate they'd rather pull it and hope it goes away. I know Mike didn't pull it so the only one left would be the person who started it. It's really sad when you can't have a good discussion around here.

Jim
 
JimBo said:
I guess when you find out that you are wrong on an issue and you can't twist the argument to go your way the best thing to do is pull the whole thread. It's weak and doesn't help to change a damn thing. Feel free to keep your head in the sand though.

Jim


STOP CUE DESIGN THEFT!!!!
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Jim, I posted on the other thread but it got deleted so I thought I would post here. I was curious of your opinion on this cue that I had Skip Weston make me. I like the 6 point Southwest style cues and I love Skip's workmanship. Was I wrong to ask him to make this cue for me? Thanks for your input.
 
Rackin_Zack said:
Jim, I posted on the other thread but it got deleted so I thought I would post here. I was curious of your opinion on this cue that I had Skip Weston make me. I like the 6 point Southwest style cues and I love Skip's workmanship. Was I wrong to ask him to make this cue for me? Thanks for your input.
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I looked at the cue and although it was a SW style cue I didn't think it was an exact knockoff, I'm not sure if it's the burl that threw me or what. I think if you really wanted a SW you should have bought one, but I can understand reason why you wouldn't or couldn't. I think it's very close and I can't really see the rings, but again there is a slight difference in making a 3 hi 3 low 6 point cue and an exact copy of a famous cue. BTW I like the look of the burl with the ebony, sharp SW knockoff LOL. ;)

Jim
 
Rackin_Zack said:
Jim, I posted on the other thread but it got deleted so I thought I would post here. I was curious of your opinion on this cue that I had Skip Weston make me. I like the 6 point Southwest style cues and I love Skip's workmanship. Was I wrong to ask him to make this cue for me? Thanks for your input.
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I think it's okay to ask for a Southwest-inspired cue, and then have it made like no other Southwest. The burl in yours is strikingly non-Southwest norm, as is the lizard wrap. Add to that the points aren't the same as Southwest, and you've got a cue that is reminiscent of a Southwest, but not an aesthetic copy in any means.

Fred
 
I'd like to thank you Jim and Fred for your input. I, too, thought that it was different enough from the SW cues with the burl and lizard and the way skip does his points. Thanks for the compliments on the cue as well. If you want to see closeups of the rings, again they are SW inspired but not direct copies, they are here and here. Thanks again for your input.
 
Rackin_Zack said:
Jim, I posted on the other thread but it got deleted so I thought I would post here. I was curious of your opinion on this cue that I had Skip Weston make me. I like the 6 point Southwest style cues and I love Skip's workmanship. Was I wrong to ask him to make this cue for me? Thanks for your input.
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Sweet cues. I never get sick of looking at Skip Westons workmanship.

Dave
 
Beautiful cues Zack. They're nothing like Soutwests at all. One can see easily they're both Skip Westons cue to the slim taper, thicker collars and hardwood outer points.
 
i think jimbo needs to get laid, and about design theft thats bullshit, first george was not the first to do that kind of design.. so jimbo should be mad at him. second i guess making a two piece cue with a screw in the middle is also a design theft right.... or maybee jimbo gets to deside...#!$$*()*((%^$%@$#^&%^%&$#@^*&(& !!!!!!
 
merylane said:
i think jimbo needs to get laid, and about design theft thats bullshit, first george was not the first to do that kind of design.. so jimbo should be mad at him. second i guess making a two piece cue with a screw in the middle is also a design theft right.... or maybee jimbo gets to deside...#!$$*()*((%^$%@$#^&%^%&$#@^*&(& !!!!!!
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I'm not sure why I'm even wasting my time replying to you since it's clear to see from your post that you aren't very bright. My sex life is fine this week, but thanks for being concerned. Maybe the first thing you need to do is look up what the word design means when used in the context we are discussing. It's clear that a 2 piece cue with a pin is part of the cue construction and not the artistic design. If you believe GB wasn't the first to use that design please show me a few pics of the person who was doing it before him, I'd love to see the cue. BTW some education for you the small Ivory 1/2 circles were made from old (wrecked) ferrules cut in 1/2. I don't want to be the one to explain the difference between making a cue with points and inlays as apposed to making an exact copy of an existing cue (a famous one to boot), I'll ask you again Merylane, where do you draw the line? Do you find it ok for Coker to knockoff SW cues, would it be ok if someone made a copy of TW's Celtic Prince, how about a copy of the Ginacue 40th anniversary cue? Where do YOU draw the line? I hope you can take time away from your busy sex life to answer this question.

Jim
 
Worminator said:
Why was the original thread pulled? There was some good discussion going on in that thread. Seems to be a common theme these days. A thread gets a little contriversial and it gets pulled.
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there was no good discussion going on in that thread, and I'm not keeping my head in the sand. those of you who claim that my cue is an exact knockoff had better look at pics of the actual cue. my cue is similar for sure but in no way exact. look at pics in the bluebook on page 135 and then tell me that my cue is an exact copy. the buttsleeve is different, the wrap is different, the pin is different, mine doesn't have the ring at the collar, and the buttcap is different. like everyone has said in here...what's wrong with having a (whoever) inspired cue? did anyone even see the ever so highly regarded SKIP WESTON balabushka copy on CUEAUCTIONS.COM? why isn't there a thread bashing skip? is he too precious to you guys to discuss his "wrong" decision to make his cue? why is Bob Dzuricky on the receiving end of a "cue enthusiast" witch hunt and anyone else doing the same thing (copying other works to any extent) being defended? I'm confused as to why the favoritism on this site toward certain cuemakers. if you don't like this from one cuemaker, speak out about all of it. enough said. :mad:
 
duke@neo.rr.com said:
did anyone even see the ever so highly regarded SKIP WESTON balabushka copy on CUEAUCTIONS.COM? why isn't there a thread bashing skip?
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Well, someone very qualified answered your question in the original thread. Hopefully that same person can and will answer it again here, and fortunately if you don't like his answer you can't delete THIS thread.

Many of us have heard of DZ long before you came on pushing his cues. I've visited his website several times and we even emailed once or twice. You have to realize that you're not doing him any favors over here...

-Roger
 
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buddha162 said:
Well, someone very qualified answered your question in the original thread. Hopefully that same person can and will answer it again here, and fortunately if you don't like his answer you can't delete THIS thread.

Many of us have heard of DZ long before you came on pushing his cues. I've visited his website several times and we even emailed once or twice. You have to realize that you're not doing him any favors over here...

-Roger
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I'm soooo glad that you visited his site before I got here. (good for you) I'm not trying to do him any favors. the guys on this site are already set in their ways as to whose cues they use. I'm glad. more dzuricky's for me! you guys don't have to like his work, and I'm kinda glad you don't. all that means is that you guys are the ones missing out and are paying too much for overrated cue makers works. what makes a (let's use southwest for example) basic cue from them worth $800? there are only 4 points? no fancy inlays or anything. 4 points and some trim rings. where is the value in this? is the name worth so much? they can't play THAT much better (if any) than other cues. so...my question is this: why does a name on a cue (which has NOTHING to do with how it plays) add or subtract SO MUCH "value" to a cue? like I said, you DON'T have to like Bob's work, or even respect it for that matter, but it's out there and will be for a long time. who knows...you may even some day be beaten with one! it probably will happen some day. oh what a great day that would be! I'm glad you entered your opinion to this topic. I'm sure we'll have more "good discussion":D
 
Just asking

This is the first time I'm seeing this thread and it got me thinking. Hope you don't mind my asking questions.

Question: Does it mean that if you the materials used are different (type of wood, wrap and others), it will be "allowable"?

Question: Custom Cuemakers should have unique ways of structurally building their cues right? Plus the maker puts his name on it (as opposed to passing the cue off as an original - this is unethical). How does a maker draw the line? And how does the "original" define that line? Like the legal battles BMW and Honda (car models and parts with similar looks)? or San Miguel vs Asia Brewery (shape, color and logo on their beer bottles).

Question: What if its was part of the wishes of the customer? Do you consider the customer unethical even if the maker puts his name on the cue?

Question: Jerry Franklin and the SW look was obviously inspired from the training Jerry had. Did they (student and teacher) have issues on differentiating the look of the SW from a Kersenbrock?

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monski said:
This is the first time I'm seeing this thread and it got me thinking. Hope you don't mind my asking questions.

Question: Does it mean that if you the materials used are different (type of wood, wrap and others), it will be "allowable"?

monski...you seem to be a reasonable man. let me explain to you and you tell me. copying a cue EXACTLY and trying to pass it off as original is definitely wrong. one post said that "if you wanted a southwest you should have bought one!" well, let's see...what's the going rate of this balabushka that has everyone in an uproar? minimum $18000!!! do you have this kind of money? I don't! It wasn't even my idea to have it made! I found out it WAS made and had to have it! it's gorgeous. anyway...a cue design was used as a basis and was made into his own piece of work. (inspired by!!) I don't see the harm with all the differences in the two cues. I don't know how to make these guys understand that nothing was done wrong here. can you?
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