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Pool is not Golf, But………………….what if!
We could learn something from the business model the PGA tour uses, what the USGA uses and apply those to the Billiard/Pool industry. I am writing this little article with extreme bias because of what I believe can be done and has drawn interest from outside the billiards industry.
Golf is a sport where the player has their personal equipment supplied by a sponsor and he or she is playing on a Golf course competing against usually another 128 players on the PGA Tour to shoot below par on every hole to post the lowest score possible in 72 holes.
Golf has a farm system where kids start playing in high school, get scholarships to play in college and go from there. Same game, same rules same format as the pros on the PGA tour.
On the PGA tour they have 1 game they play at every tournament (Golf) throughout the season with 1 set of rules. Golf has no defense because 2 players never hit the same ball so every player has to live with their own mistakes. Every time you get to hit your ball, I get to hit mine and no matter where your ball goes, it has no effect on mine. It’s me with my equipment playing the course.
To play on the PGA tour you first must be a member of the PGA and prove you are qualified to play on the tour by going through qualifying school. There is a serious difference between a touring pro and a club pro although both have to be a member of the PGA.
On the PGA tour, if you drop out of the top 120 (I think) players on the money list, you have to go back through Q school to qualify to get back on the tour.
The PGA tour has a dress code, a code of ethics, a standard they expect you to live up to as well as a prestigious image you are responsible to represent when you where their emblem.
One of the reasons Golf is so popular is because it’s simple to understand and an amateur can watch the pros on TV shoot a super low score and when the amateur goes out and shoots a score in the 90’s/ 100’s, what do they have? “The amateurs now have a way to compare how their scores measures up to how good the pros really are”. “A MEASURING STICK” How many times have you heard an amateur say this when you introduce a pro to them, “You ought to see my uncle play, he never misses”. You don’t hear that in Golf.
Because Golf has a point/score based method of determining a player’s skill level you can now get very accurate players handicaps. No, it’s not perfect but it is accepted. (Of course there is sandbagging in golf)
You can’t argue with the success of the Golf industry, they have got it right. They attract big sponsors, their on TV almost every week, they pay out big purses, they support many charities and they sell lots of products related to the golf industry with this business model.

QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE DO INCORPORATE THIS BUSINESS MODEL INTO THE PROFESSIONAL POOL INDUSTRY?
We pick a game where the player has their equipment and he or she is playing on whatever table is chosen for the event and they are competing with another 64 – 128 players playing on the same tables to post the highest score possible.
We play the same (1) game throughout the season that has the same format with 1 set of rules for every tournament. The table could be different but not the game or rules.
We set up a qualifying school where everyone plays on the same equipment and you must post an average score of a certain standard to qualify to play on a professional tour. This sets the benchmark to separate amateurs from the pros.
We form an association that requires anyone that wants to play on this tour to be a member of with strict rules regarding dress codes, conduct and ethics. This same association must be partly owned by the players and provide both health benefits and retirement.
We pick a game that has a measuring stick “Point Based” that is easy to learn, that will measure your progress and gives you an accurate skill level. This game can be introduced in to the school system for beginners to develop a farm system for a professional tour. The game must be easy to incorporate into a team sport for colleges.
We pick a game that is fast, flexible, fair to everyone, easy to learn and you can build the Golf business model around it. You can play this game as a single, or a team competition, as a scramble, individual match play or metal play.
The hardest part of all of this is “Everybody loves the most popular games today- but you can’t build this Golf model around them”. I would guess there are 25+ tournaments held around the country that offer different games, different rules, and different formats to determine a winner and how they determine who’s a pro and who’s not.
I’m not suggesting I want to steer this monster (billiards industry/current games) ship off its current course; I want to build a new ship that looks different, sleek, pretty, fast and draws interest from people that never looked at this kind of ship before.
It all has to be done with the objective to get this game/tour on TV. It’s a challenge but not impossible. According to my research, pool players do the following as well – Fish – ride motorcycles – use cell phones – buy lawnmowers – like new electronics/gadgets – play golf and the average recreational pool player in the USA makes over $48,000.00 a year.
I believe the PGA Golf model can be done using the game & concept of 6 Pocket. I have seen the results of people playing 6 Pocket on all levels over the past 4 years and 1 thing is clear to me, most players think they play better than they really can. I challenge any 6 in the APA to shoot a score of 75 or better on a 9’ table.
I’m open to all criticism, knockers; hard core “I don’t want to change anything” players and any supporters as well. It can’t be done overnight or by 1 person but it can be done………..……any takers?
 
Six pocket's a good game, I've played several racks and it's an interesting challenge.
And it's true that it's easily handicapped.

However I disagree on some points: Golf is not successful because it's easily handicapped.
Nor because it's a turn-based game where you can't play defense.
If those two things mattered, then basketball, boxing and football wouldn't be so popular.

Golf is popular because it's interesting to watch. It's a hard game and it LOOKS hard.
Making the game ball even from 8 feet away is a tension-filled dramatic moment...
In pool the game ball is usually just a given.

In golf, you're SUPPOSED to miss your first shot, so when a player makes it... it's amazing.
In pool you're never supposed to miss, so when a player makes it, it's just routine.

Don't get me wrong, pool is hard too, but it looks easy when played right.
99% of the world will underestimate the difficulty of six pocket (I sure did).
It's a classic example of something that looks much easier from the sidelines.

If you can make pool look difficult and interesting then people will watch it,
and all the other stuff (sponsor money, standardized rules, equipment, youth leagues,
TV coverage, etc.) will fall into place. But as long as pool looks easy and boring,
it's not likely to go anywhere. And unfortunately six pocket does make the game
look easy. I can just hear it now. "Shoot any ball in any hole? And I get a mulligan after the break?"
 
You're right, in golf they only play one game... maybe we just NEED TO STOP MAKING NEW GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Golf is very popular for a lot of reasons.

One of which is the amount of people who golf. Now before you tell me how many people play pool, I'll tell you why it's different. A lot of people bang balls around at a bar or even join the APA. But it's nothing like golf. There are more "serious" recreational golfers than "serious" recreational pool players. They invest lots of money into their clubs and lessons. Recreational golfers that play in small time tournaments worry a lot less about payouts and profiting from golf. Different mind sets.

Golf is also a game played outside. In the sun and nice weather. Sometimes you travel to tropical places just to play there. It's beautiful. You also drive around in cool carts and can get drunk. Throw your clubs in the water.

How popular was golf pre-Tiger? Nothing like now. It was popular for the reasons above, but Tiger came around and put new life into the game.
 
The Pool Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster
for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of
those of us who live in "advanced" countries, but they have
destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected
human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological
suffering (in the Third World to physical suffering as well) and have
inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The continued
development of new pool games will worsen the situation. It will certainly
subject human beings to greater indignities and inflict greater damage
on the natural world, it will probably lead to greater social
disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased
physical suffering even in "advanced" countries.
 
How popular was golf pre-Tiger? Nothing like now. It was popular for the reasons above, but Tiger came around and put new life into the game.


Arnolds Army and Jack Nicholas were just as big in their day as Tiger is now, sure with 50000 TV networks and social media Tiger gets more impressions a day, but as far as popularity goes it hasnt grown a bit, the names change bit the game remains the same...
 
Arnolds Army and Jack Nicholas were just as big in their day as Tiger is now, sure with 50000 TV networks and social media Tiger gets more impressions a day, but as far as popularity goes it hasnt grown a bit, the names change bit the game remains the same...

I disagree. While they were very popular golf hit it's biggest surge when Tiger hit the scene. Bigger sponsors showed up, like Nike/Adidas etc. Tiger caught peoples eye because of his age, ability and race.

Money list winners every 3 years:
1982 $446,462
1985 $542,321
1988 $1,147,644
1991 $979,430
1994 $1,499,927
---------tiger era---------
1997 $2,066,833
2000 $9,188,321
2003 $7,573,907
2006 $9,941,563
2009 $10,508,163
--------post tiger cheating-----
2012 $8,047,952
 
I disagree. While they were very popular golf hit it's biggest surge when Tiger hit the scene. Bigger sponsors showed up, like Nike/Adidas etc. Tiger caught peoples eye because of his age, ability and race.

Money list winners every 3 years:
1982 $446,462
1985 $542,321
1988 $1,147,644
1991 $979,430
1994 $1,499,927
---------tiger era---------
1997 $2,066,833
2000 $9,188,321
2003 $7,573,907
2006 $9,941,563
2009 $10,508,163
--------post tiger cheating-----
2012 $8,047,952

In 1982 400k was comparable to 2 mil in '97.

I don't see why all the anger. As long as no one is forcing you to play the game I can't see why it bothers you this much.
 
I don't see why all the anger. As long as no one is forcing you to play the game I can't see why it bothers you this much.

Because it waters down pool to the point where there are 100 promoters with 100 different games with 100 different sets of rules and makes things 100x more confusing.

Golf is golf, tennis is tennis, bowling is bowling, pool is 7ball, 8ball, 9ball, 10ball, one pocket, rotation, straight pool, banks, bonusball, texas bumps, american rotation, 6 pocket, BLAH F*CKING BLAH. Keep inventing new games and dig yourself further into nowhere.
 
Because it waters down pool to the point where there are 100 promoters with 100 different games with 100 different sets of rules and makes things 100x more confusing.

You could stencil this onto people's foreheads, fingers, and toes and they would never understand or even hear it. We live in the ADD generation, everything must change, by the hour or it is boring and old.


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Golf also has an audience / fan-base that numbers in the millions, a majority are affluent and willing to buy products that sponsors advertise. Sadly pool lacks the audience and with out an affluent audience to market to, the sponsors can't justify the expenditure of supporting pool as they do golf.
 
Because it waters down pool to the point where there are 100 promoters with 100 different games with 100 different sets of rules and makes things 100x more confusing.

Golf is golf, tennis is tennis, bowling is bowling, pool is 7ball, 8ball, 9ball, 10ball, one pocket, rotation, straight pool, banks, bonusball, texas bumps, american rotation, 6 pocket, BLAH F*CKING BLAH. Keep inventing new games and dig yourself further into nowhere.

Well, what has been done over the last 10 years hasn't yielded much fruit so I say as long as people are trying to make improvements it's a good thing. If people don't like the game or the rules than it wont catch on. If they do like than isn't that what it's all about?

I don't know, maybe you're right about the watering down, but I don't really think it is causing that much trouble.
 
Well, what has been done over the last 10 years hasn't yielded much fruit so I say as long as people are trying to make improvements it's a good thing. If people don't like the game or the rules than it wont catch on. If they do like than isn't that what it's all about?

I don't know, maybe you're right about the watering down, but I don't really think it is causing that much trouble.

Please explain to me which fruit it should yield. I'd love to know. Because professionals arn't making money they should change the game and that will work. Please, explain.

Pool needs to be unified. There needs to be ONE game with ONE set of rules and ONE governing body. Everyone works against each other. United we stand/divided we fall.

New games pop up because they think it will be help pool when in fact it is only a piece of the puzzle that hurts pool.
 
I have to chime in here, having been a professional golfer, and now an avid pool player.

Have to clear up some of the golf comments, although must say good discussion and good points made.

Firstly, the combination of TV coverage (new at the time) and Arnold Palmer in the early sixties is what revolutionized the PGA tour and how it is presented and the phenominal growth in sponsorship dollars that ensued.
The other main factor was Deane Beman, who was the commissioner of the PGA and was instrumental in getting the big corporate sponsors.

Sure there was a big jump when Tiger hit the scene because he brought millions of non-golfers to their TV sets every week - which resulted in huge increase in TV money for the tournaments and much larger purses.

So the modern PGA tour player who will make from between 10 and 2 million (those that keep their playing status) owe it mainly to those three people.

Who does pool have that could be their Deane Beman? It certainly wasn't Kevin Trudeau.

Secondly, since pool is a match play game, I think the golf model is the wrong way to go.

Think boxing.

One world champion in each discipline: 1 hole, straight pool, ten ball, etc.

Reigning world champ takes on the no. 1 contender every so often.

You could have single elimination tournaments - or - series of one on one matches to decide the pecking order for each discipline.

So, to conclude, I think TAR is taking things in the right direction. Setting up matches in different disciplines, making it worthwhile for the contestants money-wise, etc.
The next level is TV. That's the hard part.
making it cost effective for corporate america to spend their advertising and promotional dollars on pool matches.

Just my ten cents
 
TAR Championship belts. Different discipline titles, women's divisions.

I like the boxing comparison. JCIN can be our Don King. :eek:
 
I think trying to use the business model of golf is a good idea. I think it could be done with the right connections. Both inside and outside the pool world.

The key to any successful venture is finding the right model for it and then put in all the fort and work to make it succeed.

What successful business model does pool have right now? None that I'm aware of.

Anything that is positive and has the potential to make pool a success and popular sport again has my vote.

DC6P: you know I'm in your corner. Especially 6 Pocket.

What I will openly say is that I don't play just one game. I play several to keep things from becoming redundant.

There is not just one restaurant with just one thing on the menu. There is a variety of things to choose from on a menu and with many other facets of life having variety as well. Variety is the spice of life. Without variety, we bog ourselves down to just being an automaton.

Most of us are already automatons in a sense. We arise, go to work, come home repeatedly over the course of our lives. We use recreational and hobby outlets as a way to provide us with a variety of entertainment so that we don't become as stale as month old bread.

In any event, know that I will support 6 Pocket regardless and keep trying to get it out to the people as often as I can.
 
Next part

So, all good comments by those that chimed in and I appreciate the feedback. Here’s the question that I am looking for answers/opinions.

I have an opportunity to pitch professional pool to a gentleman in the near future that could risk a couple million like I could risk a hundred dollars so what do I sell him on?
What Game?
What Rules?
Where do you play?
How often do you play?
How do you determine a pro from amateur?
How many play?
What format do you use?
How do I convince him this new business model will gain the interest of the millions of recreational players?
How do you attract outside the pool industry sponsors and why this business model will do that?
How do you monetize it?
I’m open to all suggestions!
 
I feel like I'm writing a large portion of your business plan, but, in the understanding that the sport is what wins here, I'll bite.

What Game?

8-Ball

What Rules?

World Standardized, BiH anywhere after the break. No Jimmy-Joe's bar variations.

Where do you play?

Large pool halls for the regular season, a venue for the finals.

How often do you play?

1/month

How do you determine a pro from amateur?

You know who the pros are. Everything else is legal banter.

How many play?

32-64

What format do you use?

Single elimination, race to 5-7

How do I convince him this new business model will gain the interest of the millions of recreational players?

Make it a partnership with a league. Now the APA/VNEA/BCAPL Masters division is a show. You have players everyone knows already.

How do you attract outside the pool industry sponsors and why this business model will do that?

Time and patience. If successful, local TV is a starting point. ESPN will not come knocking at random.


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