Neil's Radius Thingy

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Initial Cad pic.
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Instead of pictures in this thread, I have chosen to give you a link to my Albums page.
Here below,
http://forums.azbilliards.com/album.php?u=21094

Anyway, it is just a radius turning attachment but a little different.
I have taken some pics along the way, and have some cad images of what it should sort of look like.

In Taking the last pic tonight, I have noticed I had forgotten to put the bearing release holes in the Base Plate, See Pic 3,4,and 7 when the penny dropped.

Pic 1 - turning the base, with the last side of the radial T slot been done.

Pic 2 -Indicated bearing diameter, then pitched out the clamp holes and dowels for adapter for Myford, Taig does not need the adapter plate.-This is where I forgot the bearing release holes.The 3 blocks on the table were to check the tram of the Mill head.The tube with a slot in them are just quick setting pieces. They are 25mm different in length.(just saves time winding the depth stop)

Pic 3 -Clearance for my Taig ER40 Collet nut. At this stage, the straight part has been finished milled, as a rectangular slot. The block in the middle
will be used as a fixture to make the Radial T nuts and other Radial T slot attachments.I have indicated the corner radius of the shape. This is the coordinate reference diameter being set by a DTI, for pic 5.

Pic 4 -Being careful not to bump or move the DTI from it's radial position, 2 pins have been placed in the dowel holes. Some dowels were used as spacers for the 30 deg angle block. Just carefully rotate block against the fixed jaw until the dti is close to zero along the block.A Sine bar can be used if the angle is real important. But I like to make the angles fairly close, as at a latter stage, it can be used for a reference for something.

Pic 5 -Now the reason for indicating the radius of the known point earlier in pic3. Now bring in the dti to zero on the radius. Takes less than 20 seconds. Zero your numbers, be it digi read out or Dial position.
When you take the finishing cut, with the cutter that made the radius to start with, it will all match up. No guessing where the Intersect of the angle runs out.There we have the finish position of both X and Y.
It is best to have a roughing cutter as well as the finish.
When I finish this side, take out the finish cutter, and put back the DTI. Wind to X,Y zero, and reset DTI. Same again for the other side.
These procedures can be used for a lot of things. It is just knowing about it.
Pic 6 -Trepand a T Slot ring. Cut the 2 od grooves to give the shape. The trepan tool goes in about 0.6 mm longer than the part . Then Part off to 0.1mm on diameter. Because of material deformation, the part usually stays attached. Only run 200 rpm or so with a carbide blade, have it set up in such a way, that if it does come off, no damage can be done.
Then use a chisel to cut it off the block. Very easy and is done on the bench.

Update-
Pic 8 -Top-Plate, Drilled a hole for approx position of the pivot point.Then set up in 4 jay chuck and trepanned for the 40x52 bearing. Inner diameter is clearance on the base plate. The Ø52 is bored with with a small boring tool. I sized off the inner 10mm reference hole, doing this first.
I made a couple of cuts to get the diameter 10, checking that what I set the dial to is what I was getting.Then finish turned the diameter for the 52 of the bearing. The 4 jaw chuck is balanced buy using an other jaw , so the short side has 2 jaws stacked up.Then turned the other side, for the small thrust bearing and washer.Forgot camera and phone so no pics of the milling, But, trimmed one edge to be a reference, then drilled holes to match the Taig slide that is going to be used. Made sure the dowel holes are parallel to the pivot center line. Sized side edges, and bottom edge. Just the top radius to do most likely on rotary table.
Top plate finished. Fettled the edges to hide the milling cutter marks.

Pic 9 -Assembled, Base plate with Steel T slot nut for the Taig cross slide. The top slide is adjusted to min forward travel.
The radial stops are yet to be made,and the stop adjuster.

Next is to make the Router mounting block.
 
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Instead of pictures in this thread, I have chosen to give you a link to my Albums page.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/album.php?u=21094

Anyway, it is just a radius turning attachment but a little different.
I have taken some pics along the way, and have some cad images of what it should sort of look like.

In Taking the last pic tonight, I have noticed I had forgotten to put the bearing release holes in the Base Plate, See Pic 3,4,and 7 when the penny dropped.

Pic 1 - turning the base, with the last side of the radial T slot been done.

Pic 2 -Indicated bearing diameter, then pitched out the clamp holes and dowels for adapter for Myford, Taig does not need the adapter plate.-This is where I forgot the bearing release holes.The 3 blocks on the table were to check the tram of the Mill head.The tube with a slot in them are just quick setting pieces. They are 25mm different in length.(just saves time winding the depth stop)

Pic 3 -Clearance for my Taig ER40 Collet nut. At this stage, the straight part has been finished milled, as a rectangular slot. The block in the middle
will be used as a fixture to make the Radial T nuts and other Radial T slot attachments.I have indicated the corner radius of the shape. This is the coordinate reference diameter being set by a DTI, for pic 5.

Pic 4 -Being careful not to bump or move the DTI from it's radial position, 2 pins have been placed in the dowel holes. Some dowels were used as spacers for the 30 deg angle block. Just carefully rotate block against the fixed jaw until the dti is close to zero along the block.A Sine bar can be used if the angle is real important. But I like to make the angles fairly close, as at a latter stage, it can be used for a reference for something.

Pic 5 -Now the reason for indicating the radius of the known point earlier in pic3. Now bring in the dti to zero on the radius. Takes less than 20 seconds. Zero your numbers, be it digi read out or Dial position.
When you take the finishing cut, with the cutter that made the radius to start with, it will all match up. No guessing where the Intersect of the angle runs out.There we have the finish position of both X and Y.
It is best to have a roughing cutter as well as the finish.
When I finish this side, take out the finish cutter, and put back the DTI. Wind to X,Y zero, and reset DTI. Same again for the other side.
These procedures can be used for a lot of things. It is just knowing about it.
Pic 6 -Trepand a T Slot ring. Cut the 2 od grooves to give the shape. The trepan tool goes in about 0.6 mm longer than the part . Then Part off to 0.1mm on diameter. Because of material deformation, the part usually stays attached. Only run 200 rpm or so with a carbide blade, have it set up in such a way, that if it does come off, no damage can be done.
Then use a chisel to cut it off the block. Very easy and is done on the bench.

Exemplary job Neil.

I see this becomming the gold standard for tip shaping amongst AZB
savvy cuemakers and repair guys.

You know how we love our gadgets.

Though gadget doesn't do this device justice.
When you get your first working model, I will be first to nominate it for the
"slick setup of the century" award.

Dale(sometimes semi-slick)
 
Neil, I am going to show my ignorance here, but what is the increased functionality of your design over the standard Taig Raduis cutter?
I know it must be there, as all your tools are better than the originals, I'm just having trouble seeing it.
Thanks
Gary
http://www.taigtools.com/c1210.html
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I have not fully completed the Cad drawings in the Album, mainly just drawn the mating parts. You will see there is a Taig compound slide being used as the means of adjusting the radius. Have not drawn the lead screw and handle etc.
I have not drawn the adapter for the toolpost or the router mount.
My setup has a thrust bearings added to it.
It is not just intended for cue work, but also for working on light duty metal work.
There is more to be made, like a radius setting fixture, but they will be down the road a bit yet.
The design is probably a little over the top, but it does not take that much more work to get it better.
All high quality equipment, have serviceable bearings and components in them.
It is very convenient to be able to easily adjust the depth of cut from a radial offset, rather than just unclamp the tool and try again.
Another advantage is the incorporation, but not drawn,of a fine increment radial setting stops coming off the diameter of the Base plate.Hence the reason for the Radial T Slots.
Originally I was going to have the T slot on the top plate,but changed my mind.
For cue related stuff, it is to trim the tips in my tip holders for my Patented interchangeable cue tip system. This way, all the tips will have the same radius, and the radial stop limit will be to adjust the diameter.After being set,if the radius is adjusted smaller, then the radial stop will need to be adjusted slightly to allow for that radial change.Working on a chart to show me, for the diameter of the pcd cutter , radius of tip, diameter of tip, where the stops should be, and the total amount of adjustment required to achieve this .
I just thought I would show what maybe for some , another way of making parts and setting up when only making 1 piece and all can be done on manual machines with a very acceptable result.
The only thing that is important in the project, are, the plates are parallel (keeps centerline in a vertical plane).
The axis of the adjustable slide is true to the centerline of the top plate bearing.Everything else is adjustable, depending on its use.
Neil
 
Neil, I am going to show my ignorance here, but what is the increased functionality of your design over the standard Taig Raduis cutter?
I know it must be there, as all your tools are better than the originals, I'm just having trouble seeing it.
Thanks
Gary
http://www.taigtools.com/c1210.html
1210aa.JPG

I'm not Neil, but IIUC, his design is for a router mount, not a single point
cutting tool. The idea comes from a recent discussion regarding trimming
tips and even ferrules with a router.

HTH and Hope I am right.

Dale
 
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If you look at the Album PCD 8 wing cutter, or here http://forums.azbilliards.com/album.php?albumid=1569&pictureid=12194

You will see the initial tip trimming with the pcd cutter. But it does not do the front radius, but does a real nice job of trimming the tip.
I mentioned in the thread about making or getting cnc oneday.
Thanks goes to Dale , He suggested I make a something to swing the arc.

So here is the making of it.
My son has found it useful seeing the way I have made these parts so far.


The 8 wing cutter is a bit trick too. It has 2 sets of 4, radially offset by 3 deg to create interrupted cutting that reduces chatter.
 
Thanks Neil,
I guessed I was jumping the gun, but my curiosity got the better of me.
Gary
 
I really like this idea and hope the 8 wing cutter becomes available also.

Sent from my XT901 using Tapatalk
 
I really like this idea and hope the 8 wing cutter becomes available also.

Sent from my XT901 using Tapatalk

The wing cutters were a special order. The price is $800 each. No one is going to pay that sort of coin I don't think. I got lucky on the ones I got.
If a company mass produced them, clearly the price would come down, but the PCD needs to be EDM ground, and that is where most of the money is.
Trying to grind the diamond does not give as good a result.
Neil
 
8wing cutters

If someone wants to get them commercially made and sell them, please pm and I will give you the cutter details and geometry.
Neil
 
I know a company that can make them. Please send me the geometry and I will quote some for people.

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Progress to date.
Very solid and rotates nicely. Need to drill a cross hole in the M6 C'sunk screw for some 1/16 inch nylon cord to make the fastener behave like a lock screw.I placed an O ring in the Thrust bearing washer, 1- to keep junk out, 2- Create some drag/resistance. It spun just too good without it.

Here is the Assembled Base and Top plate with the Taig Top slide installed, shown if mounted on the lathe with the unit swung around to the front side of the lathe.(over hanging the cross slide feed handle)

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Progress to date.
Very solid and rotates nicely. Need to drill a cross hole in the M6 C'sunk screw for some 1/16 inch nylon cord to make the fastener behave like a lock screw.I placed an O ring in the Thrust bearing washer, 1- to keep junk out, 2- Create some drag/resistance. It spun just too good without it.

Here is the Assembled Base and Top plate with the Taig Top slide installed, shown if mounted on the lathe with the unit swung around to the front side of the lathe.(over hanging the cross slide feed handle)

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This is first class work.

I am certain there would be a market for these SUPERtrimmers.

Wait , wait - I'm going to go trademark the name:)

Dale
 
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Nearly finished.
It needs lexan or equivalent safety glass, and also a vacuum attachment.
At the moment, it is using a single fixed stop, that just clamps into the radial T slot. It really needs upgrading to something a lot easier to use and to adjust for the Radial offset to get the trime diameter easier than at present and be able to make these adjustment from the front of the machine.
Will try and get a video of it working. Once set up, tip trimming is very quick and consistent. It took less than 1 min to trim the tip pictured, including the 600 grit od polish and the picture taking.
Now to make a dedicated tipping station.
 
Just an update.
Made a turcite vee shaft support for the tip trimmer.
This is to be able to more easily trim tips on cues that do not have very round ferrules etc.

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The tip trimmed is a Milk dud by Jeff (Pooldawg)

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finished trim

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This is just amazing quality and finish , not to mention a great idea. But isn't this a little over kill. I mean I understand this will give perfection 100% of the time but still.
 
Great work Neil. When I saw your CAD drawing, I wondered what the heck you were up to. Now I know.

Ecamenical, or whatever you call yourself, you have no idea of what Neil knows or is capable of. Should keep your comments to yourself until you have talked to him.

Hardly over kill if you are the one that built it and didn't have to pay for it.

Bet you would take one if Neil offered it Free of charge. Then it wouldn't be over kill any longer if it were sitting on your lathe.
 
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You must be a very misunderstood little man hog. I complimented his design and engineering ability and made a personal statement. For me a simple blade will do. For some one that does production or had a personal preference of course it's useful. Man you would be perfect on a reality show.
 
Man Hog. Hahahaha. Pigs have thick skin Boy. Gotta do better than that.

When a person designs and builds something of this magnitude, sure, it warrants compliments, which you gave.

But if you don't have any idea of what he is going to use it for, who are you to ask or suggest that it is Over Kill.

Just maybe Neil is planning on tipping cues at a pool hall and doing, lets say, 40 at a time. Is it Over Kill now?

For yourself, you say that a simple blade will do. Would you like to do 40 cues in one shot replacing multiple blades?

Or, would you like to use this machine and have the precision at your finger tips such as the obvious ability it has.

Maybe a bit of Over Kill for you to wrap your head around, but no one else.

I do varying amounts of tips. I would buy one and use it no matter if I were to do
5 tips a month or 50.

BTW Neil, good luck with the Pool Hall job. Hope you make lots of money.

Man Hog. I Iike that nick name. Serious. Please feel free to call me that more often.
 
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