New Cloth - Funny Stuff?

D

DrCue'sProtege

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
seems like the new simonis 860 cloth i recently had installed is causing some funny reactions, especially to the cue ball. for example, last night after i broke the '1' ball was down near the corner pocket, and the cue ball at the other end of the table.

i needed to pocket the '1' ball, and come back up table for the '2' ball. i had a slight angle, and hit the '1' ball pretty hard so it would come back up off the short rail. but when it came off the rail, it just died????? came off the rail about 8" to 10" and just died there?????

how in the world could that happen? i thought i might have hit it too hard and high, but i was 6' short for some reason. it was almost as if the Laws of Physics didnt apply.

DCP
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
seems like the new simonis 860 cloth i recently had installed is causing some funny reactions, especially to the cue ball. for example, last night after i broke the '1' ball was down near the corner pocket, and the cue ball at the other end of the table.

i needed to pocket the '1' ball, and come back up table for the '2' ball. i had a slight angle, and hit the '1' ball pretty hard so it would come back up off the short rail. but when it came off the rail, it just died????? came off the rail about 8" to 10" and just died there?????

how in the world could that happen? i thought i might have hit it too hard and high, but i was 6' short for some reason. it was almost as if the Laws of Physics didnt apply.

DCP
Click to expand...
Too much top spin.
 
Rude Dog said:
Too much top spin.
Click to expand...

Yup - quite common on those shots. When you shoot one such as this, the top spin is still taking effect on the cue ball when it hits the back rail. When it comes off the back rail, the top spin in essence causes the cue ball to "die" several inches off of the back rail.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
seems like the new simonis 860 cloth i recently had installed is causing some funny reactions, especially to the cue ball. for example, last night after i broke the '1' ball was down near the corner pocket, and the cue ball at the other end of the table.

i needed to pocket the '1' ball, and come back up table for the '2' ball. i had a slight angle, and hit the '1' ball pretty hard so it would come back up off the short rail. but when it came off the rail, it just died????? came off the rail about 8" to 10" and just died there?????

how in the world could that happen? i thought i might have hit it too hard and high, but i was 6' short for some reason. it was almost as if the Laws of Physics didnt apply.

DCP
Click to expand...

you've been playing how long and never had this happen??? this is common no matter how new the cloth is. i'm not perfectly sure exactly what happens, but it seems the top spin reverses off the short rail. its the same if you are kicking a ball off the short rail, hit it with top, and if you hit the ball square, it acts as draw and actually draws off the ball.

thanks

vap
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
seems like the new simonis 860 cloth i recently had installed is causing some funny reactions, especially to the cue ball. for example, last night after i broke the '1' ball was down near the corner pocket, and the cue ball at the other end of the table.

i needed to pocket the '1' ball, and come back up table for the '2' ball. i had a slight angle, and hit the '1' ball pretty hard so it would come back up off the short rail. but when it came off the rail, it just died????? came off the rail about 8" to 10" and just died there?????

how in the world could that happen? i thought i might have hit it too hard and high, but i was 6' short for some reason. it was almost as if the Laws of Physics didnt apply.

DCP
Click to expand...


Actually, what can get quite annoying is when playing a kick-safe with follow (used to get such a reaction), on new cloth, it will occasionally draw back instead of stop. I think this only happens with 760 but it still drives me crazy every time it happens!

As for your shot, the others are right. This is a common occurance when using follow near a rail. After contact with the rail, the cue-ball may still have forward spin on it which will have a reverse effect when the direction of the cue-ball is reversed. This will cause the cue-ball to slow-down, come to a complete stop or even return to the original rail. A very good stroke can cause the cue-ball to contact the rail multiple times.


Jude M. Rosenstock
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
seems like the new simonis 860 cloth i recently had installed is causing some funny reactions, especially to the cue ball. for example, last night after i broke the '1' ball was down near the corner pocket, and the cue ball at the other end of the table.

i needed to pocket the '1' ball, and come back up table for the '2' ball. i had a slight angle, and hit the '1' ball pretty hard so it would come back up off the short rail. but when it came off the rail, it just died????? came off the rail about 8" to 10" and just died there?????

how in the world could that happen? i thought i might have hit it too hard and high, but i was 6' short for some reason. it was almost as if the Laws of Physics didnt apply.

DCP
Click to expand...


Oh, the physics applied allright. It still had overspin after it left the rail. Depending on the angle and distance from the pocket anywhere from top to low at an optimum speed can work. If close to the pocket, cut it thinner. This happens on any cloth, it's just amplified on new cloth.

Rod
 
Last edited:
vapoolplayer said:
you've been playing how long and never had this happen??? this is common no matter how new the cloth is. i'm not perfectly sure exactly what happens, but it seems the top spin reverses off the short rail. its the same if you are kicking a ball off the short rail, hit it with top, and if you hit the ball square, it acts as draw and actually draws off the ball.

thanks

vap
Click to expand...

err..not in all situations. This is one of my favorite shots. You are hooked and need to hit the one. Kick at the 1 with draw, if you hit it full, the cueball draws back to the rail and behind the 5, leaving your opponent hooked just like he had you. Here's the diagram:

START(
%Aa1E6%BL8P7%CJ7O4%DL8N2%Ed3F4%FK7P1%GK7N8%HM7N8%IL7O4%JK8M6
%KJ7P7%LJ7N2%MK7Q3%NJ7Q9%OJ7M0%Pg2G0%Ue5E8%Vc8D0%Wd3D1%Xf9F6
%Yb1D8%Zc6C6%[V3O3%\`4F0%]c0D5%^a8E3%eB4b5
)END
 
All the posters talking about follow and physics are all wet. The problem is the color of the cloth. You bought the electric blue stuff and now you see why many people told you to get green. The wavelength of the light bouncing off the cloth is affecting the cueball.
 
As most have already said the cueball had follow on it when it hit the rail. But what I didnt see anyone talk about was the fact the with the distance the cueball was from the OB you could have hit it without follow and still gotten the same action. By the time the cueball gets to the OB it is rolling and basically has follow on it so you must control this shot with either the thickness of hit on the OB or hit it with draw so that the cueball is sliding when it gets to the OB.

Woody
 
To get back down table, provided you are playing on normal speed cloth, just roll the CB with center ball. The trick here is to not let the cueball slide. You roll it so that right before it makes contact with the OB, the CB obtains natural top spin, but it is not sliding on the cloth, it's gripping it, which will take you down table.
 
JPB said:
All the posters talking about follow and physics are all wet. The problem is the color of the cloth. You bought the electric blue stuff and now you see why many people told you to get green. The wavelength of the light bouncing off the cloth is affecting the cueball.
Click to expand...

I'm sorry but this is LMFAO material...

-Roger (try a smoother follow-through with less top, thinner hit, alternative route with center/draw/spin...it's easier to travel on new cloth)
 
JPB said:
All the posters talking about follow and physics are all wet. The problem is the color of the cloth. You bought the electric blue stuff and now you see why many people told you to get green. The wavelength of the light bouncing off the cloth is affecting the cueball.
Click to expand...

Hahahaha, the best post ever!!! LOL!!!
 
JPB said:
All the posters talking about follow and physics are all wet. The problem is the color of the cloth. You bought the electric blue stuff and now you see why many people told you to get green. The wavelength of the light bouncing off the cloth is affecting the cueball.
Click to expand...

You took the words right out of my mouth, JPB.

Blue cloth produces BAD magic and green cloth produces GOOD magic. For whom?...that depends on who is doing the secret chant, of course.

We wont even go into what red cloth does.

Jeff Livingston
 
barndoor

Ever hear the term " shoot high and hold it". That's what you did.
Back when I installed my simonis cloth,I found that even tho the cloth seemed smoother,it also grabbed better. Or "less is more".I had to think more about where I placed the cue tip,change the volicity of my stroke,etc.Try doing things a little different,you'll get on to it.
 
if I were you, I'd try to replicate it, and then learn how to do it.. Its a great shot to add to your current pool skills.
 
This is actually quite an easy and fun shot:

START(
%HC8Z7%ID0T4%Pn3X5%UE0Z2%Vm7X6%YF8F6%ZH8C9%eA5`5%_I4D7%`I1O8%aC4Y5
)END

You can bend the cueball much more and scratch in the top left corner, but I find this shot quite useful in some circumstances.
 
I think I got it...

Are you using green Master chalk? You can't mix green and blue... Gives you bad juju.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top