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New Elevation Tour - N.A.C.P.B.A. ???
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corvette1340 said:
When I clicked submit to pay for the membership fee, this came up????
http://hem.passagen.se/muntz/haha.wav
What does it all mean Corvette?!?!?!!?
Tim5000 said:
Made some phone calls. Sounds like the financing is not an issue. I am as hopeful as one can be post-IPT. Just have to wait and see.
Is that a haiku? I think that could be a haiku....
I am sure Mr. Forsythe will get all the info that is available. I look forward to hearing what this new entity has to say.
Is that a haiku? I think that could be a haiku....
I am sure Mr. Forsythe will get all the info that is available. I look forward to hearing what this new entity has to say.
jgpool said:
Exactly what I thought. You can't get blood from a turnip. If anyone has a chance to make something like this work it would be Allan Hopkins with his million dollar shootout, although I have serious doubts about his chances of success. Nonetheless, I wish them all good luck.
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I am definitely going to take a wait-and-see attitude, rather than prejudge this tour. One never knows what could happen!
This is the link to the million-dollar tournament that never took place: http://www.azbilliards.com/2000pressrelease.cfm?id=202
Some highlights: Many of you realize that "The Players Tournament I" is the greatest event in billiard history. This event will no doubt generate international media and sponsorship attention, as well as elevate the professional standards of the game immensely. For once, players will earn the type of money other sports figures have enjoyed for decades.
Unfortunately however, I am no longer sure the players or the industry are ready to come out of the dark corners of the sports world and enter the light. Perhaps you prefer darkness and being broke. I've never seen anything like this in any industry. There is little or no trust among players. Everyone is terrified of being scammed, and newcomers to the industry like Right Action Management...Here's the bottom line. We need 200 entries to have "The Players Tournament I," and we need these entries by October 31st, 2003. If we do not have 200 entries by the 31st, the tournament is off, and we all lose. At that point, Diamond Billiards will return all entry fees to the person who sent in the money.
I believe we all want this tournament to happen. With 200 entries the following are the exact payouts of "The Players Tournament I:"
1st Place = 1 million dollars
2nd Place = $125,000
3rd Place = $50,000
4th Place = $30,000
5th -8th = $20,000
9th-16th = $15,000
17th - 32nd = $12,500
33rd-64th = $11,000
Total Prize Money = $1,957,000
When push came to shove, only 10 or so entry fees were paid up front, most of them by stakehorses and sponsors. Sadly, this event didn't make it. This is just one event, though.
The NACPBA would be an organization with a tour, so to speak. I wonder how they will deal with the WPA, WPBA, UPA, et cetera, et cetera.
JAM
This is the link to the million-dollar tournament that never took place: http://www.azbilliards.com/2000pressrelease.cfm?id=202
Some highlights: Many of you realize that "The Players Tournament I" is the greatest event in billiard history. This event will no doubt generate international media and sponsorship attention, as well as elevate the professional standards of the game immensely. For once, players will earn the type of money other sports figures have enjoyed for decades.
Unfortunately however, I am no longer sure the players or the industry are ready to come out of the dark corners of the sports world and enter the light. Perhaps you prefer darkness and being broke. I've never seen anything like this in any industry. There is little or no trust among players. Everyone is terrified of being scammed, and newcomers to the industry like Right Action Management...Here's the bottom line. We need 200 entries to have "The Players Tournament I," and we need these entries by October 31st, 2003. If we do not have 200 entries by the 31st, the tournament is off, and we all lose. At that point, Diamond Billiards will return all entry fees to the person who sent in the money.
I believe we all want this tournament to happen. With 200 entries the following are the exact payouts of "The Players Tournament I:"
1st Place = 1 million dollars
2nd Place = $125,000
3rd Place = $50,000
4th Place = $30,000
5th -8th = $20,000
9th-16th = $15,000
17th - 32nd = $12,500
33rd-64th = $11,000
Total Prize Money = $1,957,000
When push came to shove, only 10 or so entry fees were paid up front, most of them by stakehorses and sponsors. Sadly, this event didn't make it. This is just one event, though.
The NACPBA would be an organization with a tour, so to speak. I wonder how they will deal with the WPA, WPBA, UPA, et cetera, et cetera.
JAM
JAM said:
It looks as though they don't plan on dealing at all... one of the rules is "Members may not participate in billiards activities outside the NACPBA without prior approval from the NACPBA." This may or may not mean that its members won't be able to play anywhere else. But with 31 events per year, who would have time!?
(Not that this is a bad thing at all... maybe this is the one unified tour everyone has been waiting for??)
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Buying rights!
This is in essence buying the rights of performance of the pool players. Don't all major sports do this? Does this not make sense that if you are investing in a sport to control the players professional activity. You must protect your investment. IMO (Big Payouts) (If true?)
lodini said:
This is in essence buying the rights of performance of the pool players. Don't all major sports do this? Does this not make sense that if you are investing in a sport to control the players professional activity. You must protect your investment. IMO (Big Payouts) (If true?)
jgpool said:This is in essence buying the rights of performance of the pool players. Don't all major sports do this? Does this not make sense that if you are investing in a sport to control the players professional activity. You must protect your investment. IMO (Big Payouts) (If true?)
Absolutely. That's why I said it wasn't a bad thing for the players. It signifies the beginning of one unified organization.
Look at boxing
Your right, billiards has always needed ONE Controlling Authority. All sports at the professional level need ONE Controlling Authority to prosper as long as that ONE in power will do what is good for the sport and not what is good for themselves first. It has to be a WIN WIN situation but the sport must be on the high end of the deal for it to prosper and grow!! This is very interesting and I think we all hope this is legit!! We'll see!
lodini said:
Your right, billiards has always needed ONE Controlling Authority. All sports at the professional level need ONE Controlling Authority to prosper as long as that ONE in power will do what is good for the sport and not what is good for themselves first. It has to be a WIN WIN situation but the sport must be on the high end of the deal for it to prosper and grow!! This is very interesting and I think we all hope this is legit!! We'll see!
Interesting idea....hope it works
Sounds like to be eligibile for the first year you must have played in 3 major pro events in addition to several other requirements. That eliminates me at this time so I guess the established pros will be the guinea pigs of this tour.
What amazes me is all the concern about drug tests. I wouldn't care if they tested at every event. And what is so bad about community service? It's time we get some class and respect for our sport and that all begins with the players and how they carry themselves. It once was a gentleman's game and something like this might be just the ticket. I would love nothing more than to see a tour chock full of Louis Ulrichs, Mike Davis', and Stevie Moores. There's nothing more enjoyable than playing against guys that don't shark you, treat you respectably, and just play pool without all the added BS.
Sounds like to be eligibile for the first year you must have played in 3 major pro events in addition to several other requirements. That eliminates me at this time so I guess the established pros will be the guinea pigs of this tour.
What amazes me is all the concern about drug tests. I wouldn't care if they tested at every event. And what is so bad about community service? It's time we get some class and respect for our sport and that all begins with the players and how they carry themselves. It once was a gentleman's game and something like this might be just the ticket. I would love nothing more than to see a tour chock full of Louis Ulrichs, Mike Davis', and Stevie Moores. There's nothing more enjoyable than playing against guys that don't shark you, treat you respectably, and just play pool without all the added BS.
win/win
If it is a win/win deal you don't have to restrict the player's rights to play elsewhere. With the money offered the only reason to do that is that they intend to or expect to find themselves bucking heads with some of the premier events we have left. I was always convinced that the IPT went out of it's way to create schedule conflicts. If this new tour intends to do the same I will be extremely skeptical from the jump. There is no reason to destroy the few majors we have for a new tour.
No idea that this is the plan but I fail to see any reason to restrict players' options if you have the best deal in town anyway.
Hu
If it is a win/win deal you don't have to restrict the player's rights to play elsewhere. With the money offered the only reason to do that is that they intend to or expect to find themselves bucking heads with some of the premier events we have left. I was always convinced that the IPT went out of it's way to create schedule conflicts. If this new tour intends to do the same I will be extremely skeptical from the jump. There is no reason to destroy the few majors we have for a new tour.
No idea that this is the plan but I fail to see any reason to restrict players' options if you have the best deal in town anyway.
Hu
jgpool said:
I think it means they've hired their first assistant, Nelson.GG11 said:
After looking at the site for awhile here is what I can figure out.
4 "seasons" of 4 different games.
128 man fields
True double elimination
8 ball race to 7 Alternate break
9 ball race to 9 winner break
1 pocket race to 3
Straight pool race to 3 ????? No ball number listed. Info layout is terrible.
Races get a little longer towards the end of the events.
No hill hill victories in 8 ball or 9 ball. All sets win by 2.
2 week break between "season" formats.
Here is where I start to get a headache:
"The post season play will be a study in determination and concentration
The athletes will be competing in the bracket that was there worst finish for the year. This will require a great deal of committment and determination on the athletes part. CAN YOU ELEVATE YOUR GAME, and emerge the GRAND CHAMPION"
"The top 64 athletes will then be bracketed into four categories according to their point toal for each format and seeded accordingly.
As an example the worst sixteen finishers in one pocket will play each other in the one pocket bracket. The lowest point total for the season in one pocket will be seeded sixteenth and will play the highest point total of the one pocket bracket bottom sixteen finishers.
This will hold true for all of the three remaining brackets. (i.e. stright pool, eight ball and nine ball)"
It looks to me like some people who like the game but don't really understand it got around a table and went like this "We could do this, and this and this and this. Oh Oh and this and what about this."
Man there is some convoluted stuff here. I hope they get someone who knows a little about pool to help them finalize this format.
The thing that really threw me are the silly little teasers :
"There are 211 known games of pool with actual written rules. The game we will play is one of these.
The secret is in the numbers"
And what does this mean?
"We will be announcing not only our kick-off tournament but several other events during the breaks and off-season.Learn More... "
Man that site is a mess. I have a feeling you could put it all on one page with a wire diagram if you could ever figure it all out.
Somebody is dreaming big. I hope they have the ability and real world knowledge to pull it off. If they put the money up and they are serious I will support it wholeheartedly. Ways to go yet though.
"
4 "seasons" of 4 different games.
128 man fields
True double elimination
8 ball race to 7 Alternate break
9 ball race to 9 winner break
1 pocket race to 3
Straight pool race to 3 ????? No ball number listed. Info layout is terrible.
Races get a little longer towards the end of the events.
No hill hill victories in 8 ball or 9 ball. All sets win by 2.
2 week break between "season" formats.
Here is where I start to get a headache:
"The post season play will be a study in determination and concentration
The athletes will be competing in the bracket that was there worst finish for the year. This will require a great deal of committment and determination on the athletes part. CAN YOU ELEVATE YOUR GAME, and emerge the GRAND CHAMPION"
"The top 64 athletes will then be bracketed into four categories according to their point toal for each format and seeded accordingly.
As an example the worst sixteen finishers in one pocket will play each other in the one pocket bracket. The lowest point total for the season in one pocket will be seeded sixteenth and will play the highest point total of the one pocket bracket bottom sixteen finishers.
This will hold true for all of the three remaining brackets. (i.e. stright pool, eight ball and nine ball)"
It looks to me like some people who like the game but don't really understand it got around a table and went like this "We could do this, and this and this and this. Oh Oh and this and what about this."
Man there is some convoluted stuff here. I hope they get someone who knows a little about pool to help them finalize this format.
The thing that really threw me are the silly little teasers :
"There are 211 known games of pool with actual written rules. The game we will play is one of these.
The secret is in the numbers"
And what does this mean?
"We will be announcing not only our kick-off tournament but several other events during the breaks and off-season.Learn More... "
Man that site is a mess. I have a feeling you could put it all on one page with a wire diagram if you could ever figure it all out.
Somebody is dreaming big. I hope they have the ability and real world knowledge to pull it off. If they put the money up and they are serious I will support it wholeheartedly. Ways to go yet though.
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