NYC Action uppate: kiamco vs. Chavez for $3000

StevenPWaldon

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Kiamco gave Ignacio Chavez the 9-ball, in a race to 25 playing 10-ball for $3000.

Chavez won pretty easily. The rolls went his way and he followed them up with almost flawless play. His safety game especially got the best of Kiamco.

Chavez jumped to an early lead, and never looked back. He took the 4 opening racks, and after 13 games he found himself comfortably ahead at 10-3. Kiamco started coming back, winning 2 of every 3 games after that, to come within two games of Chavez who looked to demolish Kiamco in the beginning.

Kiamco started coming back; 10-4, 10-5, 11-6, 11-7. Chavez never gave up the lead, which became more dangerous as the set went on in the race to 25. It looked to be anyone's game when Kiamco came within two games of Chavez, the score then being 18-16. If ever there were a time for a comeback, this would have been it. Unfortunately for Kiamco, Chavez reasserted himself on the table and gave a clinic to those watching as to why he was ahead of the Filipino world-beater in the first place. I believe Kiamco only won 1 or 2 more games the rest of the set, as Chavez reached his 25th game without too much trouble.

The bet was $3000, and to my surprise they didn't play a second set despite playing relatively fast and finishing early. Kiamco had spent 16+ hours at Masters the day before, finishing his victories over Shin Park at 930am. This evening however, they finished by around 3:00am or so, and no additional sets were played. This was in due partly because of accusations of sharking by the NYC locals who favored their champion Chavez. I find this a little funny because I bet most don't even know his name. To them he's just 'The Mexican.'

I don't think there was any deliberate sharking, or at least nothing unexpected when you are playing a local champion and the crowd is on their side. In fact, there was more of it going on the previous night when Orcullo and Hernandez played. All the guys (and most vocally, Joey Korsiak) would yell out after Frankie made a good shot or ran out: 'Atta boy, Frankie!' It was clearly done with intentions to encourage Frankie and to discourage Orcullo. But that's what you get, especially in NYC.

I see why Orcullo is the most feared gambler now. He didnt let anything get to him, and let his cue do the talking. He was even surprisingly aggessive at the table; for example if Frankie broke dry or missed and stood at the table in disbelief, Orcullo wasn't afraid to literally brush Frankie aside -- and mind you, Frankie is three times the size of little Orcullo, and has the attitude to match. But Orcullo was there to destroy Frankie on the green felt and that's exactly what he did. Destroy.

If Kiamco had the same mindset, the set could have gone either way. But it clearly got to him. Toward the end of the set he flubbed one or two crucial shots, at a time when he couldn't afford any mistakes. Meanwhile Chavez has amazing focus and mental stamina. He showed no signs of slowing down or being intimidated as Kiamco started to narrow Chavez's lead.

I overheard Orcullo and Park woofing a little and they may match up in some 10-ball, with a No-Jump-Cue stipulation. This might be of little consideration, as Park plays 3-cushion, and both he and Orcullo have great kicking abilities. Will keep everyone updated if y'all want.
 
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I think I said in the other thread that noone necessarily had to like it playing on a barbox with Chavez. Even if he did get beat lately by another, lesser player. Chavez has been a true barbox champio for a long time, and I think he has won the barbox championships multiple times, yes?

IMHO, King Kong is a bit more than just your everyday barbox champion. He should never be counted out when playing a race, of any length.

Ahead sets might be another matter, because he's getting up there in age...

Russ
 
Russ Chewning said:
I think I said in the other thread that noone necessarily had to like it playing on a barbox with Chavez. Even if he did get beat lately by another, lesser player. Chavez has been a true barbox champio for a long time, and I think he has won the barbox championships multiple times, yes?

IMHO, King Kong is a bit more than just your everyday barbox champion. He should never be counted out when playing a race, of any length.

Ahead sets might be another matter, because he's getting up there in age...

Russ

At the Super Billiards Expo in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania, there is a bar box table set up on the lower level designated as the "Action Table." One can witness MANY pool players competing on it.

One American player I know held the table for two 11 games in a row and one 10 games in a row and pocketed several sandbags. Ronnie Wiseman also had a good run on the bar box one year, holding the table for quite a long spell. Another American player busted the action table, and everybody quit.

JAM
 
Second set

I don't think Kiamco wanted to pay a second set because he lost somewhat convincingly.
 
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Russ Chewning said:
IMHO, King Kong is a bit more than just your everyday barbox champion. He should never be counted out when playing a race, of any length.

Russ

The Chavez they are talking about is not King Kong.
 
StevenPWaldon said:
Kiamco gave Ignacio Chavez the 9-ball, in a race to 25 playing 10-ball for $3000.

Chavez won pretty easily. The rolls went his way and he followed them up with almost flawless play. His safety game especially got the best of Kiamco.

Chavez jumped to an early lead, and never looked back. He took the 4 opening racks, and after 13 games he found himself comfortably ahead at 10-3. Kiamco started coming back, winning 2 of every 3 games after that, to come within two games of Chavez who looked to demolish Kiamco in the beginning.

Kiamco started coming back; 10-4, 10-5, 11-6, 11-7. Chavez never gave up the lead, which became more dangerous as the set went on in the race to 25. It looked to be anyone's game when Kiamco came within two games of Chavez, the score then being 18-16. If ever there were a time for a comeback, this would have been it. Unfortunately for Kiamco, Chavez reasserted himself on the table and gave a clinic to those watching as to why he was ahead of the Filipino world-beater in the first place. I believe Kiamco only won 1 or 2 more games the rest of the set, as Chavez reached his 25th game without too much trouble.

The bet was $3000, and to my surprise they didn't play a second set despite playing relatively fast and finishing early. Kiamco had spent 16+ hours at Masters the day before, finishing his victories over Shin Park at 930am. This evening however, they finished by around 3:00am or so, and no additional sets were played. This was in due partly because of accusations of sharking by the NYC locals who favored their champion Chavez. I find this a little funny because I bet most don't even know his name. To them he's just 'The Mexican.'

I don't think there was any deliberate sharking, or at least nothing unexpected when you are playing a local champion and the crowd is on their side. In fact, there was more of it going on the previous night when Orcullo and Hernandez played. All the guys (and most vocally, Joey Korsiak) would yell out after Frankie made a good shot or ran out: 'Atta boy, Frankie!' It was clearly done with intentions to encourage Frankie and to discourage Orcullo. But that's what you get, especially in NYC.

I see why Orcullo is the most feared gambler now. He didnt let anything get to him, and let his cue do the talking. He was even surprisingly aggessive at the table; for example if Frankie broke dry or missed and stood at the table in disbelief, Orcullo wasn't afraid to literally brush Frankie aside -- and mind you, Frankie is three times the size of little Orcullo, and has the attitude to match. But Orcullo was there to destroy Frankie on the green felt and that's exactly what he did. Destroy.

If Kiamco had the same mindset, the set could have gone either way. But it clearly got to him. Toward the end of the set he flubbed one or two crucial shots, at a time when he couldn't afford any mistakes. Meanwhile Chavez has amazing focus and mental stamina. He showed no signs of slowing down or being intimidated as Kiamco started to narrow Chavez's lead.

I overheard Orcullo and Park woofing a little and they may match up in some 10-ball, with a No-Jump-Cue stipulation. This might be of little consideration, as Park plays 3-cushion, and both he and Orcullo have great kicking abilities. Will keep everyone updated if y'all want.

Steve,

We, here on AZ really appreciate you reporting all the action at Masters, please keep it coming. I'm only across the river and can't get there.

Chavez goes by a couple of different monikers, as you stated "The Mexican", and "Pedro" or "Nacho".
 
abbassi said:
I am suprised they gave Chavez the 9.

Probably nothing more than a little enticement, I don't see it to be of any consequence with guys of their caliber, if they can get to the nine, getting to the ten shouldn't be any concern.
 
It wasn't played on a barbox.

Russ Chewning said:
I think I said in the other thread that noone necessarily had to like it playing on a barbox with Chavez. Even if he did get beat lately by another, lesser player. Chavez has been a true barbox champio for a long time, and I think he has won the barbox championships multiple times, yes?

IMHO, King Kong is a bit more than just your everyday barbox champion. He should never be counted out when playing a race, of any length.

Ahead sets might be another matter, because he's getting up there in age...

Russ
 
Railbird said:
Probably nothing more than a little enticement, I don't see it to be of any consequence with guys of their caliber, if they can get to the nine, getting to the ten shouldn't be any concern.
True, but it seems that they keep discounting his level of play. He got weighjt from D. Appleton and beat him pretty good. I wonder what Orcullo is willing to give him.
 
That should be the match to watch. Chavez is better than Park and Hernandez, and an incredibly well rounded player.

I think what really got to Kiamco was Chavez's safety game. Orcullo kicks safe quite well, and would have a better chance than Kiamco at beating Chavez. I don't know what the spot would be though. The 8-ball doesn't seem like much, the 6-ball (that he gave Frankie) is ridiculous. The 7-ball? Might be too tough for Orcullo. Maybe the last two?

abbassi said:
True, but it seems that they keep discounting his level of play. He got weighjt from D. Appleton and beat him pretty good. I wonder what Orcullo is willing to give him.
 
I wonder who the backers are for Orcullo and Kiamco in NY? Are they fellow Pinoys? Or some random local backers in NY?
 
Master Billiards, in Queens. I'm going back tonight, in hopes of more action. Park or Chavez might be up for playing Orcullo. Kiamco might want another shot at Chavez, too.

T411 said:
Where at in NYC are they playing?
 
Not 100% sure, but I think it's a fellow Pinoy. Big fat guy, with a thick wad of Benjamins.

kidrock said:
I wonder who the backers are for Orcullo and Kiamco in NY? Are they fellow Pinoys? Or some random local backers in NY?
 
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