Pro players only respond please

[bbb]

how many out of 20 can you hit a perfect stop shot with no unintentional spin and no movement of the cueball??
object ball and cue ball 4-6 diamond distance apart
just curious so i know how to gage my success rate
....
EDIT THESE ARE DIAGONAL CROSS CORNER SHOTS

 

[Bigtruck]

how many out of 20 can you hit a perfect stop shot with no unintentional spin and no movement of the cueball??
object ball and cue ball 4-6 diamond distance apart
just curious so i know how to gage my success rate

A greater test would be to see how slow you can hit the cueball for a ball about 4ft away and stop it. (requires radar)

Ray

 

[bbb]

A greater test would be to see how slow you can hit the cueball for a ball about 4ft away and stop it. (requires radar)

Ray

RAY
my question is to ascertain how accurate are the pros at hitting the cue ball where they want to...(much better than most of us...:banghead:
i expect most of them will make 19 or 20 out of 20.........
but how often will unintentional spin creep up....

 

[Scott Lee]

For the answer, see the cueball page early in Mark Wilson's book. He shows pictures of ball striking accuracy for lower level amateurs, top amateurs, average pros and elite pros. For the elite pros your expectations are pretty good. For the lower tier pros it's pretty close most of the time. It goes downhill from there...which is why we concentrate so much on cuestick accuracy! :grin:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

RAY
my question is to ascertain how accurate are the pros at hitting the cue ball where they want to...(much better than most of us...:banghead:
i expect most of them will make 19 or 20 out of 20.........
but how often will unintentional spin creep up....

 

[LIAKOS27]

how many out of 20 can you hit a perfect stop shot with no unintentional spin and no movement of the cueball??
object ball and cue ball 4-6 diamond distance apart
just curious so i know how to gage my success rate
....
EDIT THESE ARE DIAGONAL CROSS CORNER SHOTS

I know you only want pros to answer, but I do this same warm up drill almost every other day. I can safely say after 5-10 minutes of warm up, I'm 12 for 20! I'm an average B player.hope this helps

 

[accustatsfan]

For the answer, see the cueball page early in Mark Wilson's book. He shows pictures of ball striking accuracy for lower level amateurs, top amateurs, average pros and elite pros. For the elite pros your expectations are pretty good. For the lower tier pros it's pretty close most of the time. It goes downhill from there...which is why we concentrate so much on cuestick accuracy! :grin:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

I hate when threads get sidetracked (now I'm the one doing it). What is considered a world class stop shot speed (using a 1-4 rail cueball speed measurement)?

 

[Scott Lee]

Sorry. I don't have a way to post a picture of that page, or I would (with Mark's permission). What I spoke to has nothing to do with speed. It was about cueing accuracy. The truth, imo, is what Ray said...you have to be skilled enough to play a perfect stop shot (zero movement after contact with OB) at 4-6 diamonds. I agree that the slower srtoke (draw on the CB) is the better judge of ability. That is accomplished by both slow and fast speeds, depending on tip position. I have seen beautiful perfect stop shots 4 diamonds apart with a maximum low tip position (3 tips low) and a 3-speed. I see many students trying to shoot the shot centerball at a 7+ speed...10 being break speed. The harder you shoot, the more difficult the shot becomes. That said, it's easier to learn, at all speeds, from 1-2 diamonds apart. This is a shot, when set up correctly, using the hole reinforcements, on a lazered line, will really show the flaws in your routine or swing.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

I hate when threads get sidetracked (now I'm the one doing it). What is considered a world class stop shot speed (using a 1-4 rail cueball speed measurement)?

 

[Celtic]

RAY
my question is to ascertain how accurate are the pros at hitting the cue ball where they want to...(much better than most of us...:banghead:

The shot you are asking about is more about speed control and spin control. The pros are not hitting center ball on the shot you are asking about, they are hitting a bit of bottom and the backspin is dying at the instant of contact to produce a stop shot. For most pros that shot is more about the "feel" of the speed and amount of spin they are putting on the ball then aiming at a specific area of the cueball. Most pros would not even be able to tell you where exactly they are going to try and hit the cueball as they could hit it in various spots with varying amounts of bottom and control the actual "stopping" of the cueball with the speed they hit through the shot.

Most pros don't aim at points on the cueball, they aim at the contact point on the object ball, and even that is simplistic in that most are actually aiming the object ball into the pocket and the actual contact point on the object ball is not really even their main focus.

 

[iusedtoberich]

How many pros answered this thread?

 

[pdcue]

The shot you are asking about is more about speed control and spin control. The pros are not hitting center ball on the shot you are asking about, they are hitting a bit of bottom and the backspin is dying at the instant of contact to produce a stop shot. For most pros that shot is more about the "feel" of the speed and amount of spin they are putting on the ball then aiming at a specific area of the cueball. Most pros would not even be able to tell you where exactly they are going to try and hit the cueball as they could hit it in various spots with varying amounts of bottom and control the actual "stopping" of the cueball with the speed they hit through the shot.

Most pros don't aim at points on the cueball, they aim at the contact point on the object ball, and even that is simplistic in that most are actually aiming the object ball into the pocket and the actual contact point on the object ball is not really even their main focus.

Then why ain't I a pro? since I aim like one. Not sure I am buying the part about
Object Ball Contact Point NOT being there main focus.

FWIW - what you described seems to be about sighting and/or visualizing, neither
of which is aiming.

Dale(not a pro, but I play one on TV)

 

[bbb]

The shot you are asking about is more about speed control and spin control. The pros are not hitting center ball on the shot you are asking about, they are hitting a bit of bottom and the backspin is dying at the instant of contact to produce a stop shot. For most pros that shot is more about the "feel" of the speed and amount of spin they are putting on the ball then aiming at a specific area of the cueball. Most pros would not even be able to tell you where exactly they are going to try and hit the cueball as they could hit it in various spots with varying amounts of bottom and control the actual "stopping" of the cueball with the speed they hit through the shot.

Most pros don't aim at points on the cueball, they aim at the contact point on the object ball, and even that is simplistic in that most are actually aiming the object ball into the pocket and the actual contact point on the object ball is not really even their main focus.

are you a pro??
if so how many perfect stop shots can you hit out of 20?
that is my question that i would like an answer

 

[bbb]

For the answer, see the cueball page early in Mark Wilson's book. He shows pictures of ball striking accuracy for lower level amateurs, top amateurs, average pros and elite pros. For the elite pros your expectations are pretty good. For the lower tier pros it's pretty close most of the time. It goes downhill from there...which is why we concentrate so much on cuestick accuracy! :grin:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

scott
i have marks book and that picture is a real eye opener and makes perfect sense that the "scatter " of cue tip hits get smaller as the player is better.
the same would happen i would bet if you put a landing zone for the cue ball on a position shot
the pros have a smaller landing zone they can place the cue ball compared to us mortals
the extreme example done with pressure in a match is the famous safety by efren in a one pocket match where he rolled the cue ball from the jaws of his pocket onto the spot......
... so when a ball spotted next to the cue ball for the foul his opponent could not see his game ball ....:thumbup:

 

[Patrick Johnson]

A greater test would be to see how slow you can hit the cueball for a ball about 4ft away and stop it. (requires radar)

Ray

No radar needed - just measure how far the OB goes. An even harder test is to hit stop shots that start different distances apart and make the OB go different distances.

pj
chgo

 

[Poolshootindon]

How many pros answered this thread?

Maybe the title should read 'Pro players only respond please,cash involved'.

 

[JAM]

Because of the unidentified and/or banned members posting, to include trolls, you may not receive many reply posts from pro players, unfortunately. It's been illustrated already in this thread before it hit page 2, sad to say.

 

[JAM]

how many out of 20 can you hit a perfect stop shot with no unintentional spin and no movement of the cueball??
object ball and cue ball 4-6 diamond distance apart
just curious so i know how to gage my success rate
....
EDIT THESE ARE DIAGONAL CROSS CORNER SHOTS

If my other half reads this today, I will ask him to PM you a reply. It's a great question.

 

[Tramp Steamer]

How many pros answered this thread?

I was wondering the same damn thing.

 

[Buckzapper]

If you waited for only pros to respond, this might be a fairly empty thread.
Pros win with consistency in every part of their game. 1/4" out of position is no big deal for them. They bank well, kick well, but most of all they make the right decision at the right time. They keep emotion out of the game and focus on the task at hand.
A more difficult challenge than the shot described, is to shoot that shot 4 feet away that's straight in and allow the cue ball to only turn over 1 revolution before stopping. For me, I didn't master this shot until I started playing One Pocket 2 years ago. One Pocket, like Straight Pool, requires a more gentle stroke than 9 ball.
After 52 years of play, I have a saying that goes along with incredible shots and amazing position....."Seeing is believing."

 

[Pidge]

I just did this and managed 18. A pro should be 20/20.I do hit about 100 of these a day.

 

[iusedtoberich]

I just did this and managed 18. A pro should be 20/20.I do hit about 100 of these a day.

With absolutely no movement of the CB? No spin on it? No slight sideways movement? You could replace the OB on the doughnut and it would be frozen to the CB and in a straight line to the pocket?