PRO1 Steps to find CCB and the stroking line.

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1. Stand slightly to the side at approx. 45 degree angle.
2. Align center cue ball to left object ball edge.
3. Slightly adjust your position as you line up the right edge of the cue ball to aim point C, while keeping the center cue ball aligned to the left object ball edge.
4. When you have your visuals locked, draw an imaginary line from the left edge of the object ball back through the center of the cue ball. (This would be CCB)
5. Continue the imaginary line through the cue ball (CCB) on the table. For a right pivot as in this example you would look to the right of the imaginary line as you are bending into the shot and slide your bridge hand into position to achieve the 1/2 tip pivot.

These are the steps I was working with this morning. Anyone else go about this in a similar way?
 
Counterspell said:
1. Stand slightly to the side at approx. 45 degree angle.
2. Align center cue ball to left object ball edge.
3. Slightly adjust your position as you line up the right edge of the cue ball to aim point C, while keeping the center cue ball aligned to the left object ball edge.
4. When you have your visuals locked, draw an imaginary line from the left edge of the object ball back through the center of the cue ball. (This would be CCB)
5. Continue the imaginary line through the cue ball (CCB) on the table. For a right pivot as in this example you would look to the right of the imaginary line as you are bending into the shot and slide your bridge hand into position to achieve the 1/2 tip pivot.

These are the steps I was working with this morning. Anyone else go about this in a similar way?
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I am with you up until step 4. When you have your two visuals locked, you are at the fixed cue ball and you are finished with the two visuals. At this point you must forget about the two visuals and simply locate the fixed center cue ball. Then you perform a left or right sweep to CCB and shoot. The movements made during the left or right sweep are what take you slightly left or right of the fixed CCB.

Stan did a great job explaining this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KwI_62Npos
 
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JMW said:
I am with you up until step 4. When you have your two visuals locked, you are at the fixed cue ball and you are finished with the two visuals. At this point you must forget about the two visuals and simply locate the fixed center cue ball. Then you perform a left or right sweep to CCB and shoot. The movements made during the left or right sweep are what take you slightly left or right of the fixed CCB.

Stan did a great job explaining this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KwI_62Npos
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You are right, Stan has been very helpful.

But there are still gaps in my understanding. You have to get your eyes to CCB, if you are using the visuals on the object ball to do that, you have to get your eyes from the object ball to the correct spot on the cue ball (CCB). Maybe you can just look at the object ball visuals and then look at the cue ball to find CCB, I wasn't having good luck with that approach.
 
JMW said:
I am with you up until step 4. When you have your two visuals locked, you are at the fixed cue ball and you are finished with the two visuals. At this point you must forget about the two visuals and simply locate the fixed center cue ball. Then you perform a left or right sweep to CCB and shoot. The movements made during the left or right sweep are what take you slightly left or right of the fixed CCB.

Stan did a great job explaining this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KwI_62Npos
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Here's where it gets confusing with this explanation. You find fixed CCB then sweet to CCB and shoot. I assume the two references to CCB are different spots. If you're on CCB, you can move and still be on the same spot. You can't be on CCB, move "x" degrees or ticks (or whatever you want to call them) right or left and still consider that spot CCB. There has to be a new CCB "spot".
 
nobcitypool said:
Here's where it gets confusing with this explanation. You find fixed CCB then sweet to CCB and shoot. I assume the two references to CCB are different spots. If you're on CCB, you can move and still be on the same spot. You can't be on CCB, move "x" degrees or ticks (or whatever you want to call them) right or left and still consider that spot CCB. There has to be a new CCB "spot".
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If you're right handed like me, maybe this will help.

Left Sweep - After finding my visuals. I look 1/2 tip to the left of CCB. Then I rotate my left shoulder to the right, until I'm now looking directly at CCB. After that I just bend down into the shot.

Right Sweep - After visuals have been obtained I look directly at CCB and bend down into the shot. No rotation.
 
nobcitypool said:
Here's where it gets confusing with this explanation. You find fixed CCB then sweet to CCB and shoot. I assume the two references to CCB are different spots. If you're on CCB, you can move and still be on the same spot. You can't be on CCB, move "x" degrees or ticks (or whatever you want to call them) right or left and still consider that spot CCB. There has to be a new CCB "spot".
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I agree, you find CCB. For a right pivot, your eyes go right (to where, what are you looking at?) Are your eyes going right of CCB, if so to what spot?
 
My understand is, dependent upon the sweep needed, you're essentially shifting your eyes the equivalent of a half tip pivot and then moving into to the newly acquired CCB point. Here's what's also confusing to me, at least a bit. With CTE manual pivots, the V of your bridge is located left of the CTE line in one case, right of it for the other. With Pro One visuals, you're always offset slight to the left of the CTE line if you're right handed. I could easily be misunderstanding something but this would lead me to believe your visual sweeps right and left are a different distance.

Here's the bottom line, if I'm understanding it right. Assuming you're finding the visuals correctly, it is a matter of developing a consistent "move" that is the correct amount of sweep and is consistent and repeatable. Whether that is based upon footwork, shoulder turn, bending over or some combination seems to be the challenge.
 
BeiberLvr said:
If you're right handed like me, maybe this will help.

Left Sweep - After finding my visuals. I look 1/2 tip to the left of CCB. Then I rotate my left shoulder to the right, until I'm now looking directly at CCB. After that I just bend down into the shot.

Right Sweep - After visuals have been obtained I look directly at CCB and bend down into the shot. No rotation.
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So for a left sweep you look 1/2 tip left of the center of the fixed CB that you got when visuals were acquired.

After that you, while standing, rotate with your left shoulder to the right until that spot becomes your new CCB and then you go down. Correct?
 
DTL said:
For me the eyes just go with the body as you sweep right or left. Just keep them on CCB..........the center changes as the head/body move into the shot with a proper Pro One right/left sweep --> see my post from another thread below.

[DTL Quote]: Not sure if you've seen DVD1, but in it Stan describes a CB with 360 small "ticks" (tiny dots) around the equator of the ball. You don't need any lines to get a "fixed" CB. Just stand still in front of any lone CB anywhere on the table and stare at it.......from there you have a fixed CB (like looking at a 2D picture on a piece of paper). At the extreme edges are 2 of those dots.....lets call them dot #1 and dot # 180. Now, if you tilt your head or move your body ever so slightly to the right your fixed edges change.........like looking around the edge of the CB. When doing so you're now seeing dots #2 and #181 at the extreme edges, go a tiny bit further right and you'll see dots #3 and #182, etc, etc. From our starting point above move your head or body to the left and you'll see dots #360 and #179. Hope this part makes sense.

When getting your visuals, just stand in what I call the "optimal position" that allows you to see best both the CTEL and Aim Line at the same time (you don't necessarily have to be directly behind one or the other or either for that matter). It is from this position where you look down at the CB, with head and body still, and see a fixed CB.......one that is a 1/2 tip sweep or pivot away for center ball pocketing for that shot. It is this fixed CB that Stan had a piece of tape straight through the core of today in his youtube demo video. And it is that line that the V part of your bridge falls down just left or right of the line and tip at center CB with a proper Pro One sweep.

Note: Aim Line = CB edge to A B C or 1/8. [End Quote]
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Nice explanation and thanks. You're very articulate.
 
Mirza said:
So for a left sweep you look 1/2 tip left of the center of the fixed CB that you got when visuals were acquired.

After that you, while standing, rotate with your left shoulder to the right until that spot becomes your new CCB and then you go down. Correct?
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That is correct sir.
 
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