Retapering a wrapless cue to a thinner size

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mrinsatiable

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I have a wrapless cue that is too big for my comfort. I have smaller hands and usually play with cues that are 30.5 mm or smaller (at the butt cap).

The wrapless is cue is around 33mm...I have attempted to contact the original cuemaker for the last 1.5 years but have never gotten a reply. Phone messages, emails, facebook etc. I don't think he's interested in doing repairs.

I play with a majority of shots with my hand at the last 4 inches of the cue near the butt cap. and all my cues are 1.20- 1.22 inches at the fattest part of the butt cap.

I love the the way the cue looks and am afraid to alter the cue too much but inorder for me to play with it things need to changed.

My question is...in order to retaper the cue correctly can I simply have another cue maker taper the butt sleeve from bottom of the handle *mice'd at 1.20 to my desired size of 1.22 inches at the end of the butt cap?

Or does the retaper need to be done at the top of the handle all the way back to the end of the cue?
 
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leave it alone and buy what you want. that cue retapered will cost you at least 150 and will be lighter.
 
mrinsatiable said:
I have a wrapless cue that is too big for my comfort. I have smaller hands and usually play with cues that are 30.5 mm or smaller (at the butt cap).

The wrapless is cue is around 33mm...I have attempted to contact the original cuemaker for the last 1.5 years but have never gotten a reply. Phone messages, emails, facebook etc. I don't think he's interested in doing repairs.

I play with a majority of shots with my hand at the last 4 inches of the cue near the butt cap. and all my cues are 1.20- 1.22 inches at the fattest part of the butt cap.

I love the the way the cue looks and am afraid to alter the cue too much but inorder for me to play with it things need to changed.

My question is...in order to retaper the cue correctly can I simply have another cue maker taper the butt sleeve from bottom of the handle *mice'd at 1.20 to my desired size of 1.22 inches at the end of the butt cap?

Or does the retaper need to be done at the top of the handle all the way back to the end of the cue?
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Unless you typed your predicament wrongly, your cue is already smaller than you want to turn it down to. Now if you have your listed sizes reversed, then you only need .020 removed which is .010 on each side. If I was doing the repair I would re-taper from the front of the wrap area on back to the bumper, but I see that you would be happy just re-tapering from the rear of the wrap back. You shouldn't expect any problems from removing this small amount of material as any inlays or deco-rings certainly would be expected to be thicker than .010. Only .010 will remove minimal amount of weight from the cue but just as has been already stated, it would cost a minimum of 150.00 and probably even more as the cue will have to be re-finished.

Dick
 
rhncue said:
Unless you typed your predicament wrongly, your cue is already smaller than you want to turn it down to. ...
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I think he's saying the cue currently is 1.20" at the top of the butt sleeve and something unstated but larger than 1.22" at the bottom of the cue. And he's just asking about retapering from the current 1.20" dimension at the top of the sleeve to his desired spec of 1.22" at the bottom.
 
AtLarge said:
I think he's saying the cue currently is 1.20" at the top of the butt sleeve and something unstated but larger than 1.22" at the bottom of the cue. And he's just asking about retapering from the current 1.20" dimension at the top of the sleeve to his desired spec of 1.22" at the bottom.
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Then it can be easily done as long as the cue is straight .
What he really needs re-tapered is just the back end of the wrap area.
So the top of the handle doesn't get too thin, a slight taper can be done just on the last 8-10" of the butt.
 
mrinsatiable said:
I have a wrapless cue that is too big for my comfort. I have smaller hands and usually play with cues that are 30.5 mm or smaller (at the butt cap).

The wrapless is cue is around 33mm...I have attempted to contact the original cuemaker for the last 1.5 years but have never gotten a reply. Phone messages, emails, facebook etc. I don't think he's interested in doing repairs.

I play with a majority of shots with my hand at the last 4 inches of the cue near the butt cap. and all my cues are 1.20- 1.22 inches at the fattest part of the butt cap.

I love the the way the cue looks and am afraid to alter the cue too much but inorder for me to play with it things need to changed.

My question is...in order to retaper the cue correctly can I simply have another cue maker taper the butt sleeve from bottom of the handle *mice'd at 1.20 to my desired size of 1.22 inches at the end of the butt cap?

Or does the retaper need to be done at the top of the handle all the way back to the end of the cue?
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Only a year and a half?

IMHO - there isn't really a right or wrong way to modify the taper.

Palmers were tapered to 1.25 then cut straight to the end.

Rambow cut a 'reverse' taper from the end of the wrap to the end.

Any way that yields the diameter you prefer should be ok - IMHO.

Do keep in mind the old quotation "be careful what you wish for".

Dale
 
let me clarify as to better describe the situation.

the cue is 1.30 at the end of the butt cap

the top of the butt sleeve is 1.20


I would like the end of the butt cap to be 1.20-1.22

Can I simply taper the butt sleeve from the bottom of the handle?

Or

Does it need to be re-taper from the top of the handle?
 
mrinsatiable said:
let me clarify as to better describe the situation.

the cue is 1.30 at the end of the butt cap

the top of the butt sleeve is 1.20


I would like the end of the butt cap to be 1.20-1.22

Can I simply taper the butt sleeve from the bottom of the handle?

Or

Does it need to be re-taper from the top of the handle?
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Those measurements sound impossible.
1.30 to 1.20 in a matter of 5-6 inches ?
1.300 is FAT. Really fat .
 
mrinsatiable said:
let me clarify as to better describe the situation.

the cue is 1.30 at the end of the butt cap

the top of the butt sleeve is 1.20


I would like the end of the butt cap to be 1.20-1.22

Can I simply taper the butt sleeve from the bottom of the handle?

Or

Does it need to be re-taper from the top of the handle?
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You can start your re-taper anywhere your little heart desires. As PDQ stated in his post, some famous cue makers have their butt collars tapered differently, one, even tapered his collar to end up smaller at the bumper than at the back of the wrap.

Also, although now-a-days cues are much smaller in diameter than in the past it wasn't uncommon to find cues much over 1.400. Most of the older factory cues (Meucci, Viking, Mcdermott and such) were 1.300 at the back of the cue.

Dick
 
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Cues are different now a days compared to the days of past as other equipment has changed.

Cloth is faster now...rails/ balls are different as well. Even chalk is different.

Many cues are not as rear weighted as they were in the past...but I don't change my cue preferences based on anything except what suits me best.

I'm not a cuemaker but all my quotes for this modification from cue shops have asked me what I wanted and I don't simply know if there is a right or wrong way to re taper a butt.
 
Didn't you already have a cue re-tapered and sold it soon after it was returned?

Quit screwing around with having cuemakers bastardize their work to suit your taste if it's not working. Order a cue from a cuemaker with your specs.

This obviously isn't working.... Just throwing out a good idea for you to save some frustration from both sides.
 
That cue wasn't actually re tapered at all....so I sold it.
I have another cue that I actually want to play with. It's more cost beneficial
for me to re taper a cue rather than have one built from scratch.
 
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Post a pic of the butt area so we know what we are looking at.

If it has a lot of intricate inlay, it could turn into a nightmare fast depending on how the inlay was done (how deep mainly).

That said, if you handed me this cue, I would suggest no taper (straight) from the base of the wrap to the butt cap.

Also as mentioned any points (or butterflies) in the butt will change. If the butt has any warp at all, it will alter the 'even-ness' of them as well.

It will need a refinish too.

Best of luck with it!

(by the way I like the old style larger butt diameter)
 
mrinsatiable said:
That cue wasn't actually re tapered at all....so I sold it.
I have another cue that I actually want to play with. It's more cost beneficial
for me to re taper a cue rather than have one built from scratch.
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What was done to the previous cue?

Scott
 
What about a plain 4-point sneaky pete? Could it be turned to .820 at the joint and less than 1.25 at the butt? The shaft would also have to be smaller as well. Can anyone do this semi-reasonably?
 
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