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bubsbug

bubsbug

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Is it my lathe, or is it something that I am not doing right? I am trying to make rings on a 13 x 40 metal lathe and router attachment. I can not get my spindle/chuck to not spin while engaging my lead screw. Is this something that I have to do manually??
Thanks!
 
Try this

Get an inexpensive 5C spin index, $30. Make a base for it to hold it centered on your lathe axis, and aligned on the bed ways. You mount it to the lathe just like a center rest. Remove the chuck, no sense having that spinning danger there next to you while cutting the ring slots. Now when you use the carriage under power, the spindle is turning freely but your spin index is holding the material with a collet on one end, and a center in your tailstock to the right. You can index your material accurately by the degree. Cut slots with the router spinning and carried under power smoothly. It does an excellent job.
 
Do you get in your car in the morning, stick it in gear and expect to move if you have not started the engine? ;) The lead screw and feed rod are geared to the spindle. Spindle must be turning in order for the carriage to move.
 
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bubsbug said:
Is it my lathe, or is it something that I am not doing right? I am trying to make rings on a 13 x 40 metal lathe and router attachment. I can not get my spindle/chuck to not spin while engaging my lead screw. Is this something that I have to do manually??
Thanks!
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bugs, it sounds like you're working with a piece of machinery that you're not trained on. You're seriously looking to get yourself hurt real bad!!

Have you ever wondered how difficult it would be to scratch your butt with no fingers?
 
tsp&b said:
Put it in neutral!
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Correct!

My lathe has a lever for the direction of the chuck to turn. There are 3 spots. Left, nuetral, and right. Put the lever in the middle!

Get some training before going any further!!!! People have lost fingers, been pulled into the head wearing long-loose sleeves.....OUCH!!!!!
 
Come on guys, I know that the spindle is geared to the lead screw. Yes I am working with equiptment that I am not familure with, but even monkeys know not to stand in the rain. I just thought there was a secret that I missed or something. Do you know how long it took me to fiquer out how to just turn the thing on. about 6hr of playing with the thing.
It has a stop button, power button and a leaver on the compound. It took me a while but I got it. practice and playing with equiptment is what creates craftmanship, its nothing that can be teached or read about. I appreciate everyones concern but please give me a little break, just a little one please!!
 
bubsbug said:
Come on guys, I know that the spindle is geared to the lead screw. Yes I am working with equiptment that I am not familure with, but even monkeys know not to stand in the rain. I just thought there was a secret that I missed or something. Do you know how long it took me to fiquer out how to just turn the thing on. about 6hr of playing with the thing.
It has a stop button, power button and a leaver on the compound. It took me a while but I got it. practice and playing with equiptment is what creates craftmanship, its nothing that can be teached or read about. I appreciate everyones concern but please give me a little break, just a little one please!!
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I seldom comment on safety as most people have some experience and can pretty much see what's going on. Over the last couple of months you have shown you have much desire to get some cue building under your belt but you have also asked some very basic questions that clearly show you have much to learn but you don't want to take the time to learn. You seem to be like a Kid who has to have what he wants right now, not tomorrow.
It is of coarse your body and your life and you can do any thing you please with it. Craftsmanship is forming a new and hopefully better product out of other materials. The learning how to properly operate dangerous equipment has absolutely nothing to do with craftsmanship. Practicing the use of a computer is the way to learn computing, practicing with a screw driver you will gain knowledge of that tools use. If you screw up, so what, no damage done. Going out and climbing Mt. Everest is not the way to learn the proper use of an ice pick. You start with something that won't kill you in a heart beat. Losing just a finger or hand in a lathe is not to bad but to often you lose a shoulder or a head. Lathes look so easy and simple and safe to operate but they can kill in short second. Safe operations can be taught and read.

Dick
 
You do not even turn the lathe on. Just turn the hand wheel up and down the carrige with the router running. After you have cut the slot index the work piece to the next position and repeat the process.
 
bubsbug said:
Come on guys, I know that the spindle is geared to the lead screw. Yes I am working with equiptment that I am not familure with, but even monkeys know not to stand in the rain. I just thought there was a secret that I missed or something. Do you know how long it took me to fiquer out how to just turn the thing on. about 6hr of playing with the thing.
It has a stop button, power button and a leaver on the compound. It took me a while but I got it. practice and playing with equiptment is what creates craftmanship, its nothing that can be teached or read about. I appreciate everyones concern but please give me a little break, just a little one please!!
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Don't listen to 'em bug

you go right ahead acting like an aprentice potato head.
Really, work faster, cut a shaft in one day, build a butt from boards
to playing size in 2 days, I'm sure they will stay perfectly straight.

And you are right, we have meetings every week just to discuss
how we can hold you back from making cues. No one really
is worried that engaging in stupid, reckless behavior within
reach of powerfull machine tools indicates a criminal lack of judgement.

If you don't smarten up enough to get some training, and your attitude
indicates you will need a teacher with the patience of Job, the little
break you ask for won't be comming from the posters.

Dale Pierce<who is smart enough to know that the bug just enjoys
being annoying>
 
when i was in high school, a student , that had graduated a few years before me, had lost all his fingers by turning the head stock manually and accidently hit the power lever. my shop teacher posted a picture right above the lathe of his hand. before he went to the hospital and when it had healed. stone cold reminder to everyone just how dangerous these machines can be. oh ya , and writtin on the wall was " remove the chuck key dummy !". always respect the equipment and you will be o.k.!
 
bubsbug said:
Is it my lathe, or is it something that I am not doing right? I am trying to make rings on a 13 x 40 metal lathe and router attachment. I can not get my spindle/chuck to not spin while engaging my lead screw. Is this something that I have to do manually??
Thanks!
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As someone who has almost 30 years in the machine shop please listen to me. Go to your local vocational school and get some training.
 
bubsbug said:
Come on guys, I know that the spindle is geared to the lead screw. Yes I am working with equiptment that I am not familure with, but even monkeys know not to stand in the rain. I just thought there was a secret that I missed or something. Do you know how long it took me to fiquer out how to just turn the thing on. about 6hr of playing with the thing.
It has a stop button, power button and a leaver on the compound. It took me a while but I got it. practice and playing with equiptment is what creates craftmanship, its nothing that can be teached or read about. I appreciate everyones concern but please give me a little break, just a little one please!!
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Do you know how long it took me to fiquer out how to just turn the thing on. about 6hr of playing with the thing.


i hope you were kidding
as a rookie in this business myself bugs, i would like to say to you, listen to these guys.
they aren't going to steer you wrong.
two of the guys that have replied to you, i know personally, dickie & dale.
last time i checked they both had 10 fingers attached to 2 hands attached to 2 arms.
dickie still has his head too :eek:
i'm not sure about dale's :D
by the way, i still have also
be patient, it takes time to learn this stuff
the woods behind my shop is full of mistakes
amazing how far a cuestick will fly when i'm pissed off ​
 
bubsbug said:
Is it my lathe, or is it something that I am not doing right? I am trying to make rings on a 13 x 40 metal lathe and router attachment. I can not get my spindle/chuck to not spin while engaging my lead screw. Is this something that I have to do manually??
Thanks!
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Bubs.....how did you pass tips and ferrules 101?
Don't give up your real job yet but get some more schooling before you hurt someone.
 
I appriciate everyone's consern and help, really I do. I am also not against tacking a technical class as im sure it would be valauable to me. I just havn't had time to do so. Respect, I respect all machinery beond belief. I know many people who dont have fingers because of table saw accidents. I will also say this about accidents. DO you know who the most prone accidents people are? When I worked in the E.R. Department most were people with many, many years os experience, and most of them were believe it or not farmers. Would you also like to know why? Well, people with much experience get a little Cocky, get a little careless, get a little to brave or dearing, they turn there head or something and guess what happens. People leave keys in the chuck, I call that a dumb ass attack. I had a friend who changed his hot water heater and didnt drain all of the hot water, do you know what happen when he cracked the seal of the main pipe. You guessed it, it was stilled under pressure and he today has a face like frankinstein. Again dumb ass attack. Now am I above a dumb ass attack, no accidents can happen to anyone at anytime. it all about respect. Why do you think im asking the questions in advance, I dont want to get hurt. I havnt even touched any wood yet im just playing with my machine and notict that the spine and lead screw were connected somewhat like a crakshaft in an automobil. Anyone dear to challange me there. No im not an idiot, cant type or spell worth a hoot but I do ask basic questions so that I have a complete understanding of what im doing.

You know sometimes you guys kill me. Everyone tell me to trash my bench top equiptment to buy a big boy metal lathe. I do so and now everyone is all over me like stink on poop. What gives. Tips and ferrules, I have a 6 year old son that can do tips and ferrules but that beside the point. And yes I wasnt kidding when I said it took me 6 hours to turn the thing on. I had no manual, to directions, and I didnt ask anyone. I have never been around a big boy like this. Now with the comination of the stop button. power button and leaver I thought I did preatty good. It was the leaver that actually threw me and I discovered it my accident. See Sometimes accidents are good. Sometimes i wonder it it is all worth it??????
 
> All I think anyone is trying to do is keep you safe. It doesn't take much to turn your machine lathe into a Claymore or frag grenade. Bill Stroud isn't the only known cuemaker to have lost part of a hand. Tommy D.
 
bubsbug said:
I have never been around a big boy like this. Now with the comination of the stop button. power button and leaver I thought I did preatty good. It was the leaver that actually threw me and I discovered it my accident. See Sometimes accidents are good. Sometimes i wonder it it is all worth it??????
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Bugsbug...I'm not a cuemaker, don't really want to be one. Just your average guy reading through threads. What I've taken from what I've read is the more experienced guys don't want you to get hurt. They want to help you. Murray for instance comes across as one of the nicest people on forums, and can obviously make a helluva cue. As can Dickie. My point is they are trying to help you by telling you to get some training before you turn on that lathe. You may not have time right now, so your hobby should probably wait until you do have time to learn how to use the lathe properly.

Just one guys opinion....
 
cubswin said:
Bugsbug...I'm not a cuemaker, don't really want to be one. Just your average guy reading through threads. What I've taken from what I've read is the more experienced guys don't want you to get hurt. They want to help you. Murray for instance comes across as one of the nicest people on forums, and can obviously make a helluva cue. As can Dickie. My point is they are trying to help you by telling you to get some training before you turn on that lathe. You may not have time right now, so your hobby should probably wait until you do have time to learn how to use the lathe properly.

Just one guys opinion....
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I believe the louder and shakier a machine is, the safer it is. When people operate a table saw or skill saw they seem to be very careful as they are aware that they can be dangerous and all the noise and saw dust flying around keeps the operators on their toes. The power tool in the shop that scares me the most is a band saw. It is so quite and timid looking that you can get careless around it and I have. For many years I did meat cutting and a band saw has no trouble with flesh and bone.

I've never mentioned this on a forum I don't believe but I have a brother one year younger than me. When he was 20 years old he worked with a printing press and one day he was cleaning a spot off of one of the ink rollers with a solvent rag. Simple operation done everyday in printing companies but this time the rag got caught. He didn't just lose a finger or a hand but both his arms were removed at the shoulders. Someone cut his shirt collar with a knife as it was cutting thru his neck as it went between the rollers. He has now spent the last 40 years with no arms and lucky to be alive over doing something simple on a machine that, if not respected, can be deadly.

Dick
 
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rhncue said:
I believe the louder and shakier a machine is, the safer it is. When people operate a table saw or skill saw they seem to be very careful as they are aware that they can be dangerous and all the noise and saw dust flying around keeps the operators on their toes. The power tool in the shop that scares me the most is a band saw. It is so quite and timid looking that you can get careless around it and I have. For many years I did meat cutting and a band saw has no trouble with flesh and bone.

I've never mentioned this on a forum I don't believe but I have a brother one year younger than me. When he was 20 years old he worked with a printing press and one day he was cleaning a spot off of one of the ink rollers with a solvent rag. Simple operation done everyday in printing companies but this time the rag got caught. He didn't just lose a finger or a hand but both his arms were removed at the shoulders. Someone cut his shirt collar with a knife as it was cutting thru his neck as it went between the rollers. He has now spent the last 40 years with no arms and lucky to be alive over doing something simple on a machine that, if not respected, can be deadly.

Dick
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Very good post! Wearing loose clothing, or long sleave, or even a dangling neckless is in my opinion reckless behavior. Getting you fingers to close to different saw blades is criminal, that is what push blocks are for. Band saw and Table saws are a woodworkers primary tool. I have three of each and I have been using them for a very long time. I have on occasion come very clost to the Saw blade. In fact I actually cut my finger nail in have once and it scared the living daylights out of me. In college, I stared out as an industrail Arts major and saw a table saw spit a students finger across the room. it was very ugly. I understands everyone's intention, really I do. Sometimes it just seems that everyone is pointing a finger with blame instead of encouraging one another and lifting them up and truly helping them. Dick Cincinnatti is only about 90 minutes from where I live. Would you be willing to give me some pointers on some Saturday's or something. Of course, I would compensate you some how. Thanks!
 
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