Shaw 714 DVD

ChrisinNC

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There's no way to know how legitimate the equipment was for John's run.

Our video is out there... if you're going to make a comparison I'm compelled to ask: where's John's video so we can all make the comparison?

Lou Figueroa
To my knowledge, the exact pocket specs for the 714 table were never clearly revealed either, in terms of the pocket mouth measurements and even more importantly the pocket facing angles. Seems like the table was conveniently disassembled very shortly after the record run, to prevent the possibility of an accurate measurement of the pocket specs to be confirmed by a neutral party.
 
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arnaldo

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I bought the original package. I am not disappointed I did. My son and I watched the dvd monday night. It was an impressive run. If I were Jayson I would let that record stand for a good while. Probably until someone else beats it. People would lose interest in buying dvds every couple of months of a new record.
That's true of the wider, generalized group of 14.1 player/fans who are potential customers for DVDs. But a small segment of those, like myself will regularly and dependably buy sensibly-priced ultra-high run DVDs when they instructively show uniquely differing styles via which those runs were achieved.

For instance:
-- Ruslan Chinakhov's close-to-old-style rack navigation

-- Darren Appleton's high runs remarkably achieved with that minimal backstroke, rehearsal-absent stroke

-- Souquet's Zen-like demeanor & subconsciously informed, smooth and steady, measured problem solving -- a flowing river of imperceptible strategy decisions where only the result is absorbingly visible.

-- And Willie . . . never DVD-ed, but magically and clearly abundant in my memory banks.

Calm, sustained excellence at its inspiring near-spiritual best with all of these select players. As with Buddy Hall's commentating voice -- I can watch/listen all day to individuals like these that our sport is blessed with.

And like the art produced by Masters in any visually-arresting discipline, total beauty can manifest itself via a near-infinite variety of styles. That's a rewarding life lesson conveyed by our colorful beloved sport.

Arnaldo ~ I hate when my typing fingers start wanting to detour to . . . ugh . . . poetry. Where does that drivel come from in an old soldier. Enough already.
 

middleofnowhere

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Legit in comparison to the table Mosconi achieved his high run.

Lou Figueroa
The run has nothing to do with Mosconi, these are two different eras. It should be based on today accepted standards. I think the pocket size is only one aspect, maybe the least.

The balls, cloth and rails would be bigger factors. Running balls in the average a pool room in the 1950s was a chore. Running balls was no bargin back then. Just getting through racks was work. Today's tables overall I would say are actually easier.
 

lfigueroa

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To my knowledge, the exact pocket specs for the 714 table were never clearly revealed either, in terms of the pocket mouth measurements and even more importantly the pocket facing angles. Seems like the table was conveniently disassembled very shortly after the record run, to prevent the possibility of an accurate measurement of the pocket specs to be confirmed by a neutral party.

What I'm saying is that if we are to compare runs, a lot could be gleaned from John's video about how "legitimate" his equipment was.

People have said some balls went during Jayson's run that might not have gone on many other tables. OK, fair enough. But before we go talking about how legit or not our table was, let's all see how John's table played -- let's see the video of his run and what kind of shots went that might not have gone on many other tables.

I have said many, many times that our event was not about John's run but people keep bringing his run up and attempting to make comparisons. That's the only reason we're talking about it now. Our run is out there. You want to compare apples to apples, where's John's video?

Lou Figueroa
 

lfigueroa

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The run has nothing to do with Mosconi, these are two different eras. It should be based on today accepted standards. I think the pocket size is only one aspect, maybe the least.

The balls, cloth and rails would be bigger factors. Running balls in the average a pool room in the 1950s was a chore. Running balls was no bargin back then. Just getting through racks was work. Today's tables overall I would say are actually easier.

Thank you for your input.

Lou Figueroa
dooley noted
 

Burnett Custom Cues

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I talked to the guy that owns the table the other day. I'm going to try to go play him some at his place and I'll measure the pockets. I'd like to buy the DVD, if there are still some available?
 

ChrisinNC

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I talked to the guy that owns the table the other day. I'm going to try to go play him some at his place and I'll measure the pockets. I'd like to buy the DVD, if there are still some available?
There’s no telling what revisions may or may not have been made on the pockets since the record run.
 

lfigueroa

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I know the guy that set it up and I really doubt they changed anything on it but I’ll ask him.

lol, nothing was done to the table but nowadays you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting a conspiracy theory.

BTW, I also know about the guy who set It up and I’ve heard that it’s in Springfield, MO…. Danny Harriman’s backyard. If so, I hope he gives running some balls on it a go.

Lou Figueroa
 

Burnett Custom Cues

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It is in Springfield, Mo and I hope we can talk Danny into giving it a go. I doubt he bites on that though. He seems to be playing mostly billiards these days.
 

PoolPlayer4

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What I'm saying is that if we are to compare runs, a lot could be gleaned from John's video about how "legitimate" his equipment was.

People have said some balls went during Jayson's run that might not have gone on many other tables. OK, fair enough. But before we go talking about how legit or not our table was, let's all see how John's table played -- let's see the video of his run and what kind of shots went that might not have gone on many other tables.

I have said many, many times that our event was not about John's run but people keep bringing his run up and attempting to make comparisons. That's the only reason we're talking about it now. Our run is out there. You want to compare apples to apples, where's John's video?

Lou Figueroa
More deflection and dissembling. You didn't answer his point but instead deflected to John Schmidt. Everything slides off you. We should call you "Slick Louie."

What ChrisinNC said was "the exact pocket specs for the 714 table were never clearly revealed either, in terms of the pocket mouth measurements and even more importantly the pocket facing angles. Seems like the table was conveniently disassembled very shortly after the record run, to prevent the possibility of an accurate measurement of the pocket specs to be confirmed by a neutral party."

How about you respond to that?
 

middleofnowhere

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Bobby owns several successful businesses -- I don't think I'm giving much away to state that he is a millionaire several times over.

So before you go trashing his business acumen I gotta ask: how 'bout you? What are your business credentials?

Lou Figueroa
I can only suspect he has very little confidence in the value of this product now or into the future. The price keeps going down.

You can deflect all you want, but you guys have mismanage this thing from the start and now you've driven the product down to the point of worthless.
 
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cueman

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thanks for this input. in those rare occasions i open this (like all straight pool record related, very contagious) thread this is what i want to read. haven't bought the run yet, saw it on the live feed(s). how was the commentary?
Jayson was just telling his basic thought on why he played the shots the way he did. I liked that as I am a student of the game.
 

lfigueroa

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More deflection and dissembling. You didn't answer his point but instead deflected to John Schmidt. Everything slides off you. We should call you "Slick Louie."

What ChrisinNC said was "the exact pocket specs for the 714 table were never clearly revealed either, in terms of the pocket mouth measurements and even more importantly the pocket facing angles. Seems like the table was conveniently disassembled very shortly after the record run, to prevent the possibility of an accurate measurement of the pocket specs to be confirmed by a neutral party."

How about you respond to that?

We posted pictures with calipers, we're selling video of the whole run, and the table was sold so it had to be disassembled for transport to MO.

Lou Figueroa
 

lfigueroa

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I can only suspect he has very little confidence in the value of this product now or into the future. The price keeps going down.

You can deflect all you want, but you guys have mismanage this thing from the start and now you've driven the product down to the point of worthless.

Suspect al you want, lol.

Lou Figueroa
where's my dead cat...
 

lfigueroa

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