Oh, I’m far from beating the drum. I think this is the second time I’ve mentioned my opinion that 4.25” should be standard for all competitive events. And I’m only talking about professional events. Bars and the like can do whatever they please to let customers enjoy playing pool.And what percentage of the market do you represent? Just wondering.
Well, if I am playing Shaw 200 to 50 on this table used for his 714 run, you are correct, my goal is to never let him at the table where he can make a shot and have any opportunity to open a rack- bc if he does I will most probably lose, given his run ability on this table.I know I'm going against conventional wisdom but here's a couple of points to think about:
You're playing Jason Shaw. He's spotting you 200 to 50 (huge spot). Who's likely going to be at the table more to take advantage of loose pocket? Who's ever at the table more has the greater advantage, right?
Second scenerio - you need to play Shane a race to 9 even. Would you feel you would have a better chance playing on a snooker table? I think the answer would be yes.
You have a difficult way of pushing your point sometimes (or let's say often ) and you make funny mistakes (like writing John instead of Jayson above) but I think I get your point overall (this time) and I think you are right (this time).
If other players want to break Jayson's record they should have a fair chance meaning their table should be of exact same difficulty. Regulations are needed to know, how to set up a table so the new record can be compared with the actual one.
If John Schmidt wants to break the record, he doesn't need to get invited by The Legends of Pocket Billiards. All he needs is a table and a camcorder (better two from different angles). But he needs to know the specifications of the table. Otherwise, here I agree with you, you can always find a table mechanic to make the pockets bigger and easier.
If Legends make their pockets 5 1/4 '' (looks this way on some photos) while John's table had only 5'', who is to say next record won't be made on 5 1/2'' pockets and the one after on 6'' pockets? It probably will backfire on some pocketsize with too many scratches on the break to make bigger runs more difficult again, but I don't want to find out, what this pocket size would be.
So I totally agree with having this contest on an easy GC III with 5'' pockets. This is how Straight Pool was played for over 20 years (US Open Straight Pool 1989, 1992, 2000 (on GC IV), Maine Event 1995), Mosconi had his run on an easy table and John ran his 626 on the easiest table he could find (5'' pockets, seemingly comparable to the GC III from Legends).
But seemingly and in the same ballpark is not the same as "it was exactly the same difficulty". And if 5 1/4'' is seemingly the same as 5'' and 5 1/2'' is ok, if 5 1/4'' was, then .... you get the picture.
So Lou can keep repeating "You don't like the way we make it, make your own event" but for official World Records some official agreement on table specifications is needed. It wasn't available before. When John went for the record, he was the first in over 50 years and no one cared how he did it and from Mosconi we don't have the specifications.
But if there is more interest now and if people want to challenge the 714, we need to know the equipment without fearing some Frankenstein tables with 7'' pockets.
as long as the pocket is larger than the ballWell, if I am playing Shaw 200 to 50 on this table used for his 714 run, you are correct, my goal is to never let him at the table where he can make a shot and have any opportunity to open a rack- bc if he does I will most probably lose, given his run ability on this table.
However, I am also confident that I can run 50 on this table; maybe as often as he will run 200, but probably not so. Therefore if I do get to the table with an open shot I would still play risk/reward pool to the max when contemplating shot over a safe. The looser pockets might give me more confidence to go for the shot and the 50 ball run rather than playing a poor safe; but for him, I don't think he cares if the pockets are 4 1/2 or 5 inches - he would make the same decisions in either case - his confidence level in his shotmaking is that much higher.
When we talk pro players against lesser ranked amateurs, The pro will have confidence whether the table plays tight or loose compared to the amateur who, I think, will have greater confidence in themselves on a looser table.
With all due respect. Digital calipers have a 'zero' button. Much like the digital protractors that people like to hang their hats on.
Controversy only exists because of deflecting the facts, telling everyone you don't really see what you think you see, they're not as big as you think they are, and we're not going to do anything to prove, or disprove our claims, because the viewers don't need to know the truth.There was *alway* going to be controversy no matter what.
Tis the way of the world nowadays.
No controversy with the balls placed half way in the jaws of the pocket, splitting the points of the opening, frozen to both sides of the pocket opening, then you can clearly see the gap between the balls and add that to the 4 1/2" of the balls. In this picture you can clearly see because of the gap between the balls this pocket is slightly bigger than 4 1/2" procut. And those miter angles are at 141 degrees,There was *alway* going to be controversy no matter what.
Tis the way of the world nowadays.
I used my calipers to measure my coffee cup, with witnesses;
1st reading - 2.77, 2nd reading - 2.39, 3rd reading - 1.02. Same cup
Then I measured the mouth with Stanley 25' tape and it read 2 3/4"
Regardless of the readings, showing on the calipers, the cue ball went right by the calipers into the cup .
Same amount of empty space in with the ball regardless of what the calipers read.
The stanley tape measure was right on for numerous measures.
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Yes, those 2 balls are sitting a full half a ball (1-1/8”) inside the mouth, and there’s still roughly a 1/4” between the pocket facings and the balls, on both sides. The pocket is 5” wide where they are sitting and roughly another 1/4” wider than that if you move the balls out to the true mouth, which makes a 5-1/4” pocket. Sorry, but this photo is quite revealing and NOT at all deceiving.