Statement from The Legends of Pocket Billiards

kanzzo

hobby player
there are so many threads talking about same theme, I couldn't find it to repost. But I read earlier this evening somewhere Bob Jewett providing BCA table specifications for something like the last 70 years. And there were never allowed pockets bigger than 5 1/8 ''

edit found it: https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/a-new-model-for-14-1-high-runs.539437/post-7165485
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wrldpro

H.RUN 311/Diamond W.R.
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I was told that it was stopped from the regular stream on purpose.
I should've known better than listen to this guy.
As much as I've seen of your and Bobby's post's and Bobby's announcements, I couldn't foresee anything underhanded going on.
My apologies to you and Bobby and I'll be looking for it to come out.
Absolutely not true. The video was NEVER stopped at anytime. Please refer to our official statement that Lou posted up and also on Our Fb page The legends of Pocket Billiards. There will be no replies to anything else for now
 

xradarx

Billiards/pool knowledge is always left behind
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Primo Uomo"s expecting perfection in and on a pool table.
Any flunkie pool player can screw up any table in about five or ten minutes.
Just because a digital caliper, verniers, or micrometers displays numbers doesn't say they are accurate. Have any of you had your tools tested to ISO
specs? I'm doubting it!
Have any of you been taught to make correct adjustments or measurements with those devices.? I doubt that, too.
Get over it! Move on!
 

telinoz

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Patrick Johnson

Fish of the Day
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I've got calipers like that and I can make it read almost anything I want.
You don't really need the digital display to read the calipers accurately enough for this purpose. For that matter you don't really need calipers for this - just lay a tape measure across the points and the throat. Physical rulers are the only way to be sure of no distortion.

pj
chgo
 

xradarx

Billiards/pool knowledge is always left behind
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You don't really need the digital display to read the calipers accurately enough for this purpose. For that matter you don't really need calipers for this - just lay a tape measure across the points and the throat. Physical rulers are the only way to be sure of no distortion.

pj
chgo
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gerryf

Well-known member
Absolutely not true. The video was NEVER stopped at anytime. Please refer to our official statement that Lou posted up and also on Our Fb page The legends of Pocket Billiards. There will be no replies to anything else for now
I heard that it was the stream that was stopped, not the video. The rumour is that if it looked like there was a record about to be set, the stream would stop so the video could be behind a paywall.

When the stream stopped, Bobby said the video would be posted later that day, then it turned out that no, the video wouldn't be posted after all, as they wanted to set up a pay system for it.

But there wasn't a clear statement of what was going on. More of that transparency.
 

lfigueroa

AzB Silver Member
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I studied psychology, I studied lying (in the context of picking up bluffs in poker). This reaction ^^ in combination with the following answer...

makes it very likely you were lying about the table specs the whole time. Studies in psychology show, people hate actually lying so they like to say the truth if this distracts from the honest answer. Like a player sitting on quads in poker will say "I am in the mood for some gamble, I never have full house" (no he doesn't, he has four of a kind, he beats every full house you might have).

Same here. Answering "your tables have 5 1/4'' pockets" with "photo is showing a hair under 5"

If you lied once you probably lied more, naively thinking nobody will find out. So (my impression is now) you (Legends organisators) have no integrity, wanted to spend some money to break the record from John Schmidt and you would have succeeded playing it fair. But you didn't believe you could find someone to break it on a fair equipment, so you cheated with your table to get the record broke. And now Jayson should sue you for the damage to his image, since he would have broken the record on regular 5'' GC but now he is part of your cheating community.

As long as you make an entertaining stream with players you invite from your money, you can make table specifications whatever you like. But if you want a new official world record, you shouldn't be cheating. And having the pockets bigger then 5 1/4'' but repeating in multiple threads over hundreds of posts that this is a 5'' GC goes beyond some small mistake in hiring an unable table mechanic.

As much as I was astonished by the perfomance of the invited players and Jayson in particular, I would strongly advise BCA to not approve this world record because of these mentioned willfull cheating to break the record of John Schmidt.

I’m going to guess you failed the lying and credibility portion of the curriculum, lol.

Lou Figueroa
 

JazzyJeff87

AzB Plutonium Member
Silver Member
I don’t know what’s going on with the video now but if the idea was to shut down any run that looked promising then why have Deon stream from his phone for the remainder of the run?

They did eventually take that video down but it was viewed live by however many and was available for hours afterward. I guess no one thought to download it from FB because it was expected to be released right away without the 626 factor.

And having seen it, I can say that it looks like 14.1 😂. I wanted to see the 626 so bad...mostly because I couldn’t see it. But really if you’ve seen some high runs, just knowing what number he got to is enough to know what happened. It looked just like the 300+ run but without a miss before the next 300+ run.
 

lfigueroa

AzB Silver Member
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We can thank Jayson for having the integrity to show us even if no one else did. The horse is now out of the barn and it will be interesting to see how the organizer’s damage control strategy plays out at this point.

I guess we’ll soon find out whether this AZ Billiards forum has any influence at all among the power players in the pool world.

lol.

There is no damage so there is no strategy.

Lou Figueroa
 

lfigueroa

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I heard that it was the stream that was stopped, not the video. The rumour is that if it looked like there was a record about to be set, the stream would stop so the video could be behind a paywall.

When the stream stopped, Bobby said the video would be posted later that day, then it turned out that no, the video wouldn't be posted after all, as they wanted to set up a pay system for it.

But there wasn't a clear statement of what was going on. More of that transparency.

Maybe in the excitement of the moment that was said, I don’t recall that, but OK, maybe.

In any case, I just talked all of this over for quite awhile with Bobby at the DCC and I am comfortable that what we represented is accurate. If I wasn’t, I would walk away from the event.

Lou Figueroa
 

realkingcobra

Well-known member
Silver Member
Primo Uomo"s expecting perfection in and on a pool table.
Any flunkie pool player can screw up any table in about five or ten minutes.
Just because a digital caliper, verniers, or micrometers displays numbers doesn't say they are accurate. Have any of you had your tools tested to ISO
specs? I'm doubting it!
Have any of you been taught to make correct adjustments or measurements with those devices.? I doubt that, too.
Get over it! Move on!
I don't use digital micrometers to measure the pocket openings, I use a mechanical adjustable, steel protractor to measure the gap from point to point of the opening, then measure that distance between the points of the protractor with a steel machinist ruler. How do YOU measure the pocket opening?
 

xradarx

Billiards/pool knowledge is always left behind
Silver Member
I don't use digital micrometers to measure the pocket openings, I use a mechanical adjustable, steel protractor to measure the gap from point to point of the opening, then measure that distance between the points of the protractor with a steel machinist ruler. How do YOU measure the pocket opening?
I don't need to measure pocket mouths or throats. I just shoot balls straight into the middle of the pockets, all damn day long and most of the nights. Hence the nickname. Radar between the ex'es.
 

realkingcobra

Well-known member
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I don't need to measure pocket mouths or throats. I just shoot balls straight into the middle of the pockets, all damn day long and most of the nights. Hence the nickname. Radar between the ex'es.
I use to play like that too, so how many do you pocket in a row now, 12?
 

realkingcobra

Well-known member
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I don't need to measure pocket mouths or throats. I just shoot balls straight into the middle of the pockets, all damn day long and most of the nights. Hence the nickname. Radar between the ex'es.
Usually anyone that don't know the difference in pocket sizes, is because they don't play well enough to know the difference, all they know is if the balls go in the middle or not.
 

xradarx

Billiards/pool knowledge is always left behind
Silver Member
I use to play like that too, so how many do you pocket in a row now, 12?
From anywhere you want to place them on any size regulation pocket pool table.
You have finally found the only real 14.1 Continuous Billiards Pocket Pool player living.
 
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