Statement from The Legends of Pocket Billiards

soyale

Active member
Except for the fact that I've been working with Diamond for the last 22 years, a d was instrumental in the design of their coin ops and ProAms, and the change over from the playability of the red label to blue label rail system. I also was instrumental in the perfection of Diamonds pocket design, but we don't need to get into all of that, right?😉
what are you on about? i didn't say anything about any of that.
 

Johnny Rosato

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
You did not ask a legitimate question.

You asked:
“At what point will the free stream be stopped in the future if the new record of 714 is threatened,
in order to protect that players financial interests? 525, 625, 700, or maybe stop it at 713?”

Implying we were concerned about the record being broken and that would be cause to stop a stream.

The stream broke. It was an accident.

Lou Figueroa
troll
You did not ask a legitimate question.

You asked:
“At what point will the free stream be stopped in the future if the new record of 714 is threatened,
in order to protect that players financial interests? 525, 625, 700, or maybe stop it at 713?”

Implying we were concerned about the record being broken and that would be cause to stop a stream.

The stream broke. It was an accident.

Lou Figueroa
troll
OK then Lou, this is the first I've heard of anything breaking.
I'll refrain from commenting any more here and maybe at some point the "troll" tag will be lifted.
Take care.
 

realkingcobra

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i apologize for my post if specs/details have been made available

can you supply a link to the above referenced data

THANKS
And the funny thing about what you quoted, is unless the so called expert put his HANDS on that table, he has absolutely no credibility to say anything, unless he's looking at the same thing everyone else is looking at, he can't back up his agreement!
 

realkingcobra

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BTW, I have just spoken at length with Bobby (who has just spoken to Jayson) and I have also spoken minutes ago to a well known table mechanic who is here at the Derby and discussed photos of our pockets and we, the Legends of Pocket Billiards, are good.

I stand by what we have provided here about the pockets.

Lou Figueroa
What's his name, I more than likely know him, or again, is that top secret?
 

realkingcobra

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Glen, that’s really smart of you - you’re now criticizing Ernesto - easily the most well respected, knowledgeable, experienced, hard working (and sadly underpaid) pool table mechanic in the business, not to mention one of the nicest human beings on this earth.

Oh I forgot, possibly one of the best playing 67+ year old players in this country that never practices.
Never said he wasn't so nice, but you can verify what I said, he's worked on your pool tables as well, right? I've even spent some time with Ernesto showing him how to make repairs on Olhausen rails. I like Ernesto too.
 

lfigueroa

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What's his name, I more than likely know him, or again, is that top secret?

People know me, respect my reputation, and talk to me freely secure in the knowledge that I will *never* name them and drag them into this morass.

So I get honest opinions that I report honestly. If that’s not good enough for you or anyone else I will not lose a moment of sleep over it.

Lou Figueroa
 

ChrisinNC

AzB Silver Member
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Never said he wasn't so nice, but you can verify what I said, he's worked on your pool tables as well, right? I've even spent some time with Ernesto showing him how to make repairs on Olhausen rails. I like Ernesto too.
OK, nice attempt at a recovery. If Ernesto was to make any mistake at all, likely only because he works himself to exhaustion, he absolutely will insist on fixing it. He knows how high my standards are, which is why I fly him 3000 miles across the country and I won’t allow anyone else to touch our tables.
 

realkingcobra

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People know me, respect my reputation, and talk to me freely secure in the knowledge that I will *never* name them and drag them into this morass.

So I get honest opinions that I report honestly. If that’s not good enough for you or anyone else I will not lose a moment of sleep over it.

Lou Figueroa
So the "well respected mechanic" you're referring to hasn't SEEN the table, I understand now.
 

realkingcobra

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OK, nice attempt at a recovery. If Ernesto was to make any mistake at all, likely only because he works himself to exhaustion, he absolutely will insist on fixing it. He knows how high my standards are, which is why I fly him 3000 miles across the country and I won’t allow anyone else to touch our tables.
Use this to check pocket openings for repeatability in openings.

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maha

from way back when
Silver Member
it doesnt matter what size the pockets were. as the table wasnt tournament sized pockets with correct opening and angles.

the record is real at 714 balls ran on a nine foot pool table.
but should be recognized solely for that.

at some point a player will run more on a tournament table built to tournament specs. as played in major tournaments. then that run will be an official worlds record. and the one to beat.

this was a great run nothing to be taken away from that, but with a specially set up table and same with the other 626 run, leads an opening for someone to run more on a much easier table with any size pockets, angles, balls or whatever, and would have the same claim as there was no standard in it..
 

telinoz

Registered
Just to clarify: Bobby does not speak for me.

When I took this on he told me I have a completely free hand here, it’s one of the reasons I took this gig : -)



If you had kept up with the discussion you’d know but you preferred to just drop in — that’s fine, but moves like that are another reason there are problems with pool — people shooting off their mouths without knowing what they’re talking about.

Lou Figueroa
just sayin’
What I said is perfectly reasonable, to a reasonable person.
 

realkingcobra

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OK, nice attempt at a recovery. If Ernesto was to make any mistake at all, likely only because he works himself to exhaustion, he absolutely will insist on fixing it. He knows how high my standards are, which is why I fly him 3000 miles across the country and I won’t allow anyone else to touch our tables.
Like I said, I really do like Ernesto, but as a expert table mechanic, I just don't happen to agree with the way he does certain work, not when there's better, more accurate, and simpler ways to perform the same tasks, which overall produce a better outcome.

Years back, I helped move some of the tables for the Broken Rack pool hall to their new location in Emeryville. I had my box truck, Ernesto had his small car, and the room owner had a bunch of help. I brought a 9ft Diamond ProAm to install there, but decided to help them move some of their tables as well, before I changed the cloth on the table I was delivering and the 9ft ProAm the location already owned. So, using my truck I moved their 9ft Diamond, 10' billiard table, and their 6'×12' snooker table. Then, after that I got started recovering the 2 Diamonds while Ernesto took all the rails off the Olhausen 9fts, I think 21 of them. He brought all the rails over to a couple of tables near where I was working so he could drill out the rail bolts he had to cut off because the T-nuts were spinning inside the rails. I was watching him as he was drilling out the bolt stud, far enough down so he could screw a nut plate to the bottom of the rails so a rail bolt could then be used to bolt the rails down. Out of curiosity I went over and asked Ernesto what he was doing, so he explained it to me, and told me he had 51 rail bolts he had to cut off to get all the rails off🤔
 

ChrisinNC

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Like I said, I really do like Ernesto, but as a expert table mechanic, I just don't happen to agree with the way he does certain work, not when there's better, more accurate, and simpler ways to perform the same tasks, which overall produce a better outcome.

Years back, I helped move some of the tables for the Broken Rack pool hall to their new location in Emeryville. I had my box truck, Ernesto had his small car, and the room owner had a bunch of help. I brought a 9ft Diamond ProAm to install there, but decided to help them move some of their tables as well, before I changed the cloth on the table I was delivering and the 9ft ProAm the location already owned. So, using my truck I moved their 9ft Diamond, 10' billiard table, and their 6'×12' snooker table. Then, after that I got started recovering the 2 Diamonds while Ernesto took all the rails off the Olhausen 9fts, I think 21 of them. He brought all the rails over to a couple of tables near where I was working so he could drill out the rail bolts he had to cut off because the T-nuts were spinning inside the rails. I was watching him as he was drilling out the bolt stud, far enough down so he could screw a nut plate to the bottom of the rails so a rail bolt could then be used to bolt the rails down. Out of curiosity I went over and asked Ernesto what he was doing, so he explained it to me, and told me he had 51 rail bolts he had to cut off to get all the rails off🤔
Is that the end of your story or are you fixing to tell us there was an easier way to do it? And of course you are saying there has never been anything over the years regarding pool tables you have ever learned from Ernesto, only stuff he has learned from you.

We have a few customers that remind me of you and visa versa – they never get tired of hearing themselves talking as an expert on every subject. If you try to get roped in to any kind of debate with them, you simply cannot win.
 
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Fatboy

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I’m just a new guy with no access to anything or anybody. Ignorance is bliss. What’s funny is watching people try and make $ in the pool world.

Sad state of affairs
Fatboy🤠
 

Shuddy

Diamond Dave’s babysitter
Silver Member
So, if I was invited to run balls on a table that was eligible for a world record, and I thought I had a chance of doing it, one of my first questions would be, “Before I spend the next x number of days/weeks bent over this table, can you guarantee me that this table meets the standards the BCA uses when they verify the run?”

I don’t know Jayson. Am I wrong to assume he would make similar enquiries?

EDIT: Because pretty much all the people accusing Legends of shenanigans have at some point qualified their statements with something like, “It’s not Jayson’s fault. He deserves better.”

It seems to me that Jayson knows those pockets just about better than anyone. It also seems to me that he’s pretty happy to claim the new word record.
 
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ribdoner

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understood, however, the point is what's the "RIGHT" thing to do

i don't see merit in compounding "WRONG", i don't think you do either

Sincerely, adam


i apologize for my post if specs/details have been made available

can you supply a link to the above referenced data

THANKS

If this detail is available on AZB, why not post a link which should end pushback

i'm trying to be part of the solution , not part of the problem

i searched for a while to no avail, i'll now solicit the info i seek from the members at large

Also, does anyone have any idea how attempts JS made before he landed this monster?
 
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