Stiffest Hardest Wood break shaft

Jeff

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I have always wondered why break sticks don't have shafts made from harder woods. Wouldn't a harder wood give a harder break?

I know about Ash shafts but other than that what else is possible to use besides Maple.

I imagine there is a very good reason why other woods can't/aren't used like Ebony, Teak, etc.

Can someone give a simple explanation?
 
Imo harder and heavier shafts weaken your break.
My best breaker is a 17 oz cue.
The tip is 12MM with a billiard taper.
Melamine ferrule and Triangle tip.
The object of breaking is to squat the cueball while pocketing a ball or balls.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Imo harder and heavier shafts weaken your break.
My best breaker is a 17 oz cue.
The tip is 12MM with a billiard taper.
Melamine ferrule and Triangle tip.
The object of breaking is to squat the cueball while pocketing a ball or balls.

The proper weight for a break cue is a very individual thing. A weight that is great for one player may be horrible for another. Most equate a good break as one that puts the most controlled energy into the cue ball. A 50mph break that launches the cue ball off the table is much worse than a 5 mph break that squats the cue and makes a ball. Energy is E=MC squared. Since M stands for mass And C is time, every time you double the weight you double the energy however every time you double the speed the energy is quadrupled. That is why many like a lighter cue. To get the most energy you want the cue to move at it's top speed at it's maximum weight. This comes down to each individual player. If you are small, not very strong but very quick then a lighter cue will give you the most energy. However if you are large, strong and lumbering but not very quick a heavier cue will give you more energy. If you can get the cue ball up to 27mph at 17 oz but it drops down to 26 oz. at 17.2 oz. then 17 oz. is your best weight. If on the other hand you can break at 27 mph at 17 oz., also at 18 oz., also at 19 oz. also at 20 oz. but then your speed drops off when going above 20 oz. then a 20 oz. cue will impart more energy than the 17 oz. does. As people get older they usually slow down but, to a point, usually get stronger. These people could utilize a much heavier cue. Another plus for a heavier cue over a lighter one is control. It is easier to loose control of the cue ball when you are trying to slam it at your top speed.

Dick
 
Not really talking about over all cue weight.

The reason I'm asking is because quite a while ago I had Varney put a break tip on an old sneaky I had. The shaft of the sneaky is exceptionally heavy (the over-all weight of the cue is a little over 19oz). It's maple but it must be an old wood or something, maybe dense is a better word. But that thing is the best break cue I have used. It's ugly, the butt is crooked and it is dented.

In the last year, I have bought an Espirtu, an x-breaker, and a mezz. I sold them because they didn't compare to this old ugly thing. The smack it makes is something to hear.

I don't know if it's the shaft or the tip or the combination.

The shaft is a straight taper and weights 4.4 oz. It's hard to explain but it feels SOLID.

This got me thinking maybe the reason this thing pounds is because the shaft wood is dense and heavy.
 
in that equation "c" is the speed of light

the equation is a way of turning mass into energy
 
e=mc^2 is definitely NOT the right equation. c is not time, it is the speed of light. this equation basically says energy and matter are forms of the same thing.
i believe the equation you are looking for would be the one for kinetic energy.
KE=(1/2)mv^2
 
that equation is better suited to figuring out how much energy you will get out of some mass.say burning a quart of oil to get x amount of energy.

it really wouldn't apply to pool.

F=MA might apply better.
 
force=mass x acceleration. no square there. people often use this or it's related equation, momentum=mass x velocity, incorrectly for calculating break shot power as it relates to stick speed and cue weight. the kinetic energy formula KE=1/2mv^2 is the right one
 
One of my posts form a previous thread:

Ofcourse there is proof, stemming from Newton's second law of motion. Force equals mass time acceleration. Acceleration is the rate of change of velocity, or its first derivative in calculus terms. If you double velocity, you get a greater result of force than if you double mass.

Your bullet analogy doesn't apply. A 44 mag uses a 10.9 mm diameter bullet. It is phsyically larger, so it will do more phsyical damage in terms of area.

A 180 grain bullet traveling at 1610 feet per second has 1036 ft lb of energy. A 240 grain bullet traveling at 1180 feet per second as only 741 ft lb of energy. Both are plenty high enough to tear flesh. A larger bullet will do more physical damage.

A cue ball weighs the same, regardless of what cue hits it. The only thing that increases the energy of the cueball is a higher velocity of the cueball. There is probably a relative maxima (again, calculus talk) for every person in terms of force created when breaking. Too heavy of a cue, and the person will not be able to generate enough stick speed to get maximum results. If the cue is too light, then the force is reduced, because the players muscle fibers can fire only so fast. There is a peak speed someone can achieve using a certain weight cue, and if the cue is any lighter, the speed will be the same with less mass, so less force. That optimum cue weight is a little different for everyone, depending on their weight, their strength, and how fast they can physically move. Ofcourse throw in inconsistent hits, not hitting center, too much stick speed and control is not optimum, and it all greatly becomes a personal preference.

Why do you think it is against the rules for baseball players to cork bats? A corked bat weighs less, but the increase velocity of swinging the bat more than makes up for the less mass, so the baseball goes farther (as long as the bat doesn't shatter).


Old thread:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=73988&highlight=derivative
 
lol i dont know about all these formulas but I have heard that purpleheart, yellowheart, ipe, and ash all make good break shafts.
 
Ipe would be the stiffest of those.i work with Alex Brick and he uses Dyamondwood,which is incredibly stiff.all of those super stiff,dense woods add considerable weight though.
 
there is a lot of confusion here...f=ma is the correct formula for "force", but this isn't the right formula to use when thinking about break cues. kinetic energy is what you want to use to calculate the power of a break cue. the f=ma formula gives you only the force required by your arm to accelerate the cue. to measure the impact on the cue ball, the kinetic energy formula 1/2mv^2 gives you amount of energy due the cue in motion.
 
Well, as my hero, Hillary, would say "I misspoke" about which formula is the correct one to attain the highest energy input into the cue ball for breaking a rack of balls. However, I do believe that I got across that just a lighter break cue doesn't necessarily equate to the best break cue for all. If they both are going 15 miles an hour I would much rather get hit by a bicycle than a freight train.

Dick
 
I have made 2 purpleheart shafts to be used as breakers, and they have done well for the players they were made for. I have used one of them on league nite and been impressed with it. I am currently making myself one with a one piece phenolic tip/ferrule. Hope to be done with the cue and shaft this week. I currently use a cuetec with a phenolic tip, and quite a few teammates love it. I think the stiffness of a fiberglass coated shaft combined with a phenolic tip is a dynamite team.
Dave

"no formulas needed":D
 
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