???? Super soft breaks bartable chmpnshps???
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I remember watching a 9-ball match from two years ago. Orcullo vs. Shane. May have been the finals. The commentator remarked on Dennis the whole tournament had been putting the same ball in the same lower corn of the table, with essentially the same spread. He proceeded to do so, right before my eyes. Thus began my hatred for pattern racking and soft breaking, and I've never been a fan of Orcullo because of that video.
I think it's interesting you mention this because one of my first exposures to Orcollo was the Feb'13 Swanee finals, against Jayson Shaw. Orcollo had the 1 and 2 balls floating back up table, was making a corner ball, and spreading the balls out nice. And running out and running out.
Here's the match:
http://youtu.be/95t1Bp0bhOI
Go to the 56min mark to hear Jay and Billy comment on this.
It soured me on Orcollo but I got over that when I realized a lot of pros do it.
4-balls must hit a rail, or at least one ball has to drop.
So, given one ball is dropping, there is no foul, and it is completely legal.
Somehow I think if Earl soft broke, it would still be exciting to watch.
Earl is just exciting, mostly due to the "what will he do/say next?" Factor.
Soft break, pateren racking, and using a template rack is a joke for pros on a BB. Placing the balls in the right place in the rack will leave you a very high chance of a 2, 3, 4, combo on the 9 ball if not an easy RO. The 9 never moves on a very soft break with the MR. Figuring the ball order for a low combo is easy. Johnnyt
Yes
I was some what surprised to see allot of players breaking soft at the Reno bar box open.................
Yes I will confirm the break speed super slow or soft ........ and I was amazed that 2 or 3 balls were dropping on the these extremely soft breaks..
I was some what surprised to see allot of players breaking soft at the Reno bar box open.................
Yes I will confirm the break speed super slow or soft ........ and I was amazed that 2 or 3 balls were dropping on the these extremely soft breaks..
Its all a joke, a sad sad joke. The older I get, the less I like the game, and thats messed up. And my down turn is due to stuff like that. It started with fast cloth, and now its all the racking crap. People can say what they will, but due to all of this crap there are more people able to play "well" than years past. Watching any pro match these days is sickening. Soft breaks, fast cloth, pattern and gap racking, etc etc etc.
Ive found that most of the people who are ok with this have been around the game well under 20 years. They didnt get to see the game played what I consider "right".
Heres a clip of Earl and Buddy playing on old cloth without pattern racking etc. tell me what game looks harder.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YqlbpCxxOW4
Chuck
They used the Accu-Racks in the Music City open a few years back... They tried the soft break but it wasn't working.. The big package in the finals was 1 I think... They had 4-5 dry breaks... There is a difference in templates... It's about engineering and physics... not plastic and cash.....
100 percent agree with this. I've spent quite a bit of time using both the Magic Rack and Accu-Rack SOLO. Even though both are templates the difference is obvious. While both racks make the balls tight there is something about the Magic Rack that makes the balls jump out of the rack almost unnaturally easy. It's hard not to make the corner ball when using the MR. The Accu-Rack is totally different. You can't hit them soft and wire the corner ball. You have to know the right speed and the right hit. The balls just don't explode out of the rack after barely being touched.
Racking is part of the game.
Breaking is part of the game.
If you have the knowledge and skill to soft break and make the same ball every time, then you have mastered the break.
Last time I checked, the objective is to make balls. There is no rule that says you have to slam the balls, lose your cue ball, break dry, and hook yourself to win.
Don't like barbox 9ball, magic racks, or soft breaking? Don't watch the USBTC.
Breaking is part of the game.
If you have the knowledge and skill to soft break and make the same ball every time, then you have mastered the break.
Last time I checked, the objective is to make balls. There is no rule that says you have to slam the balls, lose your cue ball, break dry, and hook yourself to win.
Don't like barbox 9ball, magic racks, or soft breaking? Don't watch the USBTC.
Imho nine ball is a waste of 6 balls! One-pocket, 15 - ball rotation, 14.1, Kelly pool, golf, and 8 - ball are the only games to play. I don't even care to watch 9 - ball on tv..the medium for which the game was created. If there is a reason for a decline in billiards interest, it is because of 9-ball!
You know what pisses me off?
The players who don't make things as difficult as possible.
Shooting easy shots over and over again. Shooting stop shots, when they could followw the ball around the table to bring it right back to where it started from...
It is evolution, both in standards of game play and equipment. I like it, wish I could do it.
The players who don't make things as difficult as possible.
Shooting easy shots over and over again. Shooting stop shots, when they could followw the ball around the table to bring it right back to where it started from...
It is evolution, both in standards of game play and equipment. I like it, wish I could do it.
The people on this forum crack me up. Bunch of grumpy old dudes with their 2 cents on how "back in their day" we just willy nillied our way on the break and hoped and prayed a ball went in and we had shape!
The rules allow it at USBTC. Been that way ever since they started. The break and run percentage is very high but its not 100%. I still think if they took the template away they would still soft break and STILL make the wing ball every time. Guess what, its the same for ten ball too, with a tight rack or template you will see pros make the second ball in the side with very good results.
Personally the break shouldn't be about luck, like every other shot. Thats why its the most important shot and thats why top players practice it religiously. If you want to see crazy pattern racking I suggest you watch Corey Deuel matches at USBTC 8 ball.
The rules allow it at USBTC. Been that way ever since they started. The break and run percentage is very high but its not 100%. I still think if they took the template away they would still soft break and STILL make the wing ball every time. Guess what, its the same for ten ball too, with a tight rack or template you will see pros make the second ball in the side with very good results.
Personally the break shouldn't be about luck, like every other shot. Thats why its the most important shot and thats why top players practice it religiously. If you want to see crazy pattern racking I suggest you watch Corey Deuel matches at USBTC 8 ball.