Taking advantage of the "Call goes to the shooter" rule

Jimmy M.

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I played in Riverside this weekend, and I have to say that I saw enough obvious misuse of this rule that I believe changing it is justified. First, in the "controversial win" for Ernesto, I am happy to hear that the tournament director did not just give the call to Ernesto's opponent. On Ernesto's behalf, I'd like to say that, after knowing him for about 14 years now, I have never seen nor heard of him pulling any sort of move on anyone. I've never seen him be anything other than polite to his opponents whether he wins or loses. His opponent in that match did something similar in an earlier match, and with the rule the way it is, got the call. Now, I don't know for certain if it was a bad hit or not, but an entire room, me included, and his opponent, saw the shot and it looked like he completely missed the ball he was shooting at (he tried to play safe on the 9 by thinning it and leaving it on the top rail and putting the cue ball on the bottom rail). Whether or not it was a bad hit or good hit, the rule is bad because dishonest players can take advantage of it, and until everyone can be trusted to be honest (there is some slight sarcasm there), that rule won't work. I really don't know what can be done other than the T.D. talking to spectators, and anyone else who might have saw the shot, and taking their comments into consideration when making a ruling. I don't know if that is the "best" solution, but there has to be something better than the current rule because players can't really be expected to call a referee to watch every shot. That would require a referee for every match, and there is hardly enough money in pool to pay the players, much less pay a referee to watch over every match.
 
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Hi Jimmy, I talked to a few players who saw what happened, and they said it looked like he missed the ball. Ernesto Dominguez is known as the "nice guy" because he is very polite and honest. Medina, on the other hand, I have heard some not so good things about him. I am very happy that Ernesto won, but am a little pissed off for them calling it "Controversial". Can't Ernesto get any credit? He picked up ball in hand on what everyone is calling a foul, but still played a race to 3 and won it 3-1, but these jerks have to call his win of the whole tournament "Controversial". This didn't happen in the finals. This is a load of crap, and disrespect to Ernesto. He won the tournament fair and square, but all these nits have to make it some scandal or something.
 
"call goes to the shooter" rule is a good one. Can it be used as an advantage by less than honest players? Yes. Is it a bad rule? NO.

As the non-shooting player, to avoid the "call goes to the shooter" situations, all you have to do is ask for someone to 'Make the Call' this is a final decision. No advantage to either player.

When in doubt, ask for the TD to "make the call"
 
Hi Jimmy. First, let me say that you have the best mechanics of any player I saw at Shooters this weekend. You absolutely do not move when shooting.
Anyway, I saw that "controversy" between Ernesto and Medina.
I could swear Medina hit the 8-ball before hitting the 5-ball. It looked to me he sliced the 8 then hit the 5 and missing the pocket. Anyway when Ernesto thought he saw the 8-ball move before the 5-ball, he called foul on his seat. He looked at Medina then Medina sat down. Medina did not confirm the foul to Ernesto ( apparently). Now, Ernesto did not just pick up the ball. He took l time and Medina MAYBE had time to prevent him from picking it up. The bad thing about this was it was clear to EVERYONE in the room that Ernesto called a foul except Medina who might have been distraught by missing the 5 ball.
So, when Ernesto picked up the cb, Medina asked from his seat " What are you doing?". Ernesto said, "I called a foul and you said yes." Ernesto was adamant Medina said yes because he walked to him after he called the fould and Medina went to his chair. Medina claims he never heard a foul call much less confirm it.
So, I yelled in the background, go to the tape. The owner and director tried to but then later said reviewing the tape was not part of the rules, even though BOTH players agreed to go to the tape. So, Medina and Ernesto agreed to go to race to 3. Ernesto wins it 3-1.
I took a concensus after the match. I was shocked to hear most people thought there was no foul. Semi-finalist Lori de Leon said Medina uncercut the 5 then caromed to the 8-ball.
Now, here's really my gripe. Why wasn't there a TD on a semi-FINAL match ? Then, Ernesto and Medina BOTH agreed to go to the tape. Why didn't they go to the tape? The TD said that wasn't part of the ruling. Well, NEITHER is racing to 3 after a controversial case game.
Ernesto won his second Shooters' Labor Weekend Tournament. There should be no asterisk next to his name. You will never find a better gentleman than Ernesto.
 
Joseph Cues: Thanks for the compliment. :) I would have liked to not scratch on that 2 ball when it was hill-hill in my last match! ;) I didn't stick around to watch the rest of the matches because I still had the drive to Phoenix ahead of me, and I wanted to get started. I did see an earlier match of Medina's where he tried to thin the 9 ball to play safe, and it appeared to me, and everyone else watching (including his opponent) that he missed the entire ball. Naturally, his opponent goes to take ball in hand, and Medina says, "I hit it!" I don't know for sure if he hit it or not, but I heard a lot about that shot from other people watching it, and every single person who saw it (that I spoke to, or overheard talking) thought he missed the ball. That is where the rule needs some help. Should you have to call a ref over to watch someone shoot at the only ball on the table? Shouldn't a foul be obvious in that case? The problem is, foul or not, all the shooter has to say is, "it was a good hit", and regardless of whether or not it was, they get the call. But I do agree with you that the semi-finals match (and above) would be better off with a dedicated ref, or, at least, someone who is authorized to make a call watching the match. See you at the next tournament out there ...

Jimmy
 
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