The amount of money is sick!!!

I agree there sure is alot of luck in poker! And maybe I am only considering the MEGA money or pro poker ! But I have noticed here some, that before would play $1o or $20 one-pocket or 100 dollars sets now taking there money down the road to play cards! So now you play cards at the local poolroom! And for some its around the clock!
 
kevin s said:
Coming from someone that will hopefully own a poolroom someday, it seems to me that poolrooms can only survive if pool is just one of many things to offer customers! Cards,darts,good food , merchandise , megatouch, jukebox , and most importantly alcohol!! I spend some time in the Tampa bay area and believe me when I say pool is alive and well there!! I wish it was that way everywhere!!
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Which pool halls are you talking about?
 
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Which pool halls are you talking about?
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Strokers in Palm Harbor on 19 north is my favorite!

Capones in Sring Hill is cool cause Rodney Morris practices there when he is in!

Hammerheads in New Port Richey is new and has 25 or so Tables and they are all Diamonds.

Fatsos in Tampa has alot of tables but it is in a little rougher part of town

Planet 9-Ball on Hillsboro Avenue is the largest of all with maybe 35 to 40 tables total!

And these are the large ones there are also some smallers ones that have weekly tournaments maybe 8 to 10 more in the Tampa Bay area!
 
u12armresl said:
There have been lots of posts about poker vs pool and the money.

My feeling is still poker has way way way too much luck in it. Of course there are people that say "the top players are always in there in the end" that's not really true at all. You can look at the major poker tournaments and there will be plenty of names you have never heard of and then you run into a name you recognize from tv.

The people who say that there are people who are the best cash poker players around (Ivey, Brunson, Jett, Greenstein, etc.) don't really consider that not everyone can afford to sit down with $500k to lose. If everyone could there wouldn't be the same 10 people in that list.
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This is a common misconception among non-accomplished poker players. Let me clarify.

Short term, there is a lot of luck in poker... Long term, there is very very very little luck in poker. If your opponent continues taking 10% the worst of it, hand after hand, you WILL get his money. He might win this hand bucking the odds. He might win the next 10 hands bucking the odds. Probability WILL catch up with him. And if you play "correct" poker, you WILL get the money against weaker competition.

Period.

And for the person who mentioned winning $700 in a session playing in a $3/$6 ring game, a $700 win every session is a pretty decent result.. Depends on what time of day, and whether the college math student rounders are in your game or not.. $700 win every session long term might not be sustainable, but $300-$500 average per session should be workable.. The thing you really have to watch out for is going on tilt and blowing your whole bankroll when the less skilled players "catch" low probability draws.. about 6 times in a row, when a lot of money is in the pot..

That being said, I'd have to watch your game to see if you might be giving them too much action.. $700 in a SESSION is a good result for that level. $700 in an HOUR either means you caught a good hand when they were pushing their hands too far, or you were giving loose action.

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I ended up 40th. LOL
 

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kevin s said:
Hey Ace ,
Sorry I didn't get to meet you at the Steve Mizarek Florida Pro Event last month although I did try to keep an eye out for you! Did you go?
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Yes, I was there. You might not have recognized me, I appear balder in person than in pictures. Then, there's the obfuscating glare I generate. LOL :D

I was there only briefly on Saturday. There were no seats available and standing for a buzzard like me gets old fast. I came back Sunday and luckily ran into an acquaintance who was tired of sitting. I saw a few good matches. Earl and Hatch; Deuel and Rodney; Saez and Grossman.

Capones will be hosting The J. Pechauer Gulf Coast Open on Jan 27-28, 2007. Maybe I'll see you there. :)
 
Poker is hurting all kinds of games. I know a hand full of chess players who quit the game for poker, and that includes Grand Master level players.

Chess requires many years of practice, Pool a little less but still a huge amount , poker on the other hand does not. One can become an excellent poker player in couple of years and make money as he progresses along.

However, most decent poker players gambling on line are grinders who will make 8$ to 15$ an hour. Of course since there are winners there have to be some losers out there too.

Poker is simply more accessible to the masses, an equivalent of fast food.
 
"Probability WILL catch up with him. And if you play "correct" poker, you WILL get the money against weaker competition.

Period."


What happens when 11 people are playing "correct" poker.

It is luck to get the card you need, it may be skill to represent you have the card when you don't but if you don't have it and someone else does, how are you going to win?

Funny how everyone and their brother is now an expert in poker. In Indy alone there are no less than 5 large rooms to play at and everyone is an expert, everyone who loses got beat by a fish? (How can that be) Anyone who has seen WSOP on ESPN knows what should be done in a hand. Do you think they could watch Earl play and pick up a stick and play at that level, or even practice for a year and do that.

Why is it if there is so much skill in poker that there all these kids who carry the attitude that they know everything but yet they can't continue to win even small tournaments? Are there just thousands and thousands of experts running around?

It's also the same attitude in poker as in pool. Put someone out in a tournament, what do they want to do? "Want to play some after the tournament" You know when you play and someone does that it is really disrespectful.

Far Far Far more skill in pool

Poker is a total joke.
 
Pool has never been well promoted by a sponsor with deep pockets. I do not understand this because how any pool players are smokers and drinkers etc. These are the types of sponsors with big bucks to spend on advertising.

The IPT had the idea but I think that might of been a business built to be resold. They never appeared to have the big sponsor with something to gain by the advertising.

What pool will need to become major is what all the other sports have which is a sponsor who wants to attract customers and to do that they are willing to promote the sport of pocket billiards.

Pool is NEVER live on TV that I know of (in the US) and when I see a tournament I it could be 3 months or 3 years old that is not good for pool at all.

Poker is reshown but not till it is wore out. Also, Poker has lots of players that make the payout large. I can play in a major tournament if I want to pay the entry fee. I think that has helped poker tournaments get more players. Amateur players can get on a roll in Poker not so much in Pool.

Pool either needs to attract lots of tourney players to make a big pot or attract a big sponsor. In England snooker had big payout due to sponsors and they had live tournament play on TV.

Pool needs to get all of the amatuers and pros together into one organiztion similiar to golf's PGA. They need to promote pool to the betterment of the game, as well as the operators of pool rooms and also to promote the pro's. I do not know that any current organization or league or tour is an umbrella organization with all these interests in mind. For sure if the pro's could get paid more then the sport would come alive for the operators as more new players would spend the time needed to develop some skills.

I think the negative image of pool will either have to be overcame or embraced. Pool players dumping matches, dumping stakers or getting staked in a tournament and then totally missing a match etc have all been committed by many top players. I know for the longest time you could not bet on a tournament match in Vegas because of this type of negativite activity.

Myself I would like to watch backroom pool on TV with short rack games played for the real cash. But I do not think that will draw much attention if 2 guys match up and they bang heads to trade 2k or 5k back and forth over the course of a night. When I can see a real cash poker game on the Game Show network and Daniel N. bets 100k of real cash the other guy sucks out and Danial doesn't even flinch. That make pool action for 1k, 5k or even 10k a set seem like small potatos.

What I am willing to do:
I would buy / try a beer I had never heard of if they sponsored pool.
I would buy some shoes if some shoemaker sponsored a pool tour.
Would you try somebody's product if they would sponsor a pool tour?
 
I made the switch but not for poker as a sole reason. When I drifted away from pool it was because of the lack of oppurtunity. I was good enough and did win open events and have an occasional solid finish in a major event.However I felt like that wasn't good enough for what my goals were so I drifted away from the game.I miss it sometimes because of the fierce competitveness of the game.

I now use poker as a second source of income.I have alos been playing for ten years and it very difficult and an extreme grind even for the most skilled player to be able to do this.The percentage of players that can actually do this is most lkely somewhere around 5 %. You also may have a number of break even players as well. Also when playing low-limit online,many hours and multiple games you WILL NOT be a winning player in the long run regardless of your skill level. The reason being is that you will not overcome the RAKE.A top limit player can hang in there at best.

People tend to only remeber the wins. :)
 
sliprock said:
First came the lottery. Then came the riverboats. Afterwards, the poker boom. Each has taken a bite out of the local pool action.
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Sounds about 100% right on.
 
poker is just a waste of time imo. But people like the fact that they make money by just sitting down and fliping a hand.
 
Cards

Texas holdem isn't original, it is just 7 card stud rearranged, or best 5 out of 7 cards. People like the luck factor, and think they can get lucky, and that is true, except over the long run, things even out.

Just like someone thinking they can win with the 7 ball. They can cheese it, right? Yeah, and they might, but not near as often as what they think, and just like Poker, who usually wins in the LONG RUN, is the person with the most knowledge about the sport or game.
 
Poker is a big crap shoot....just look at all the "poker super stars" get shut out in the first day...and they didn't pony up no $300.00 ~ $500.00 entry fee either...start thinking four sometimes 5 figure entries....;)
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I think I wasted the good portion of a year after work playing on PokerStars, other than the times I had pool league or tourneys. Started with $100 and worked myself playing $6.50 turbo SNG's up about $1700. I never started playing the higher limits due to taking my winnings out to pay for my pool trips to Vegas for APA so I never had a huge bankroll. I have since taken all of my money off the site. Not because of the threat of legal action for playing, just got burnt out on it and got back to playing pool.
 
Snapshot9

7 card stud an holdem are about as much alike as 5 card stud an 5 card draw! The 7 ball also is a pretty good spot in my way of thinking.
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Yup. I know a guy who graduated from my school...was playing some real good pool for awhile, but then he found his way into poker...

Majored in mathematics and did all his homework on the game. This is the sort of guy who DEVOTES himself to gaming and all that stuff...rumor has it he was at one time the World Champion of Snake (the video game), although I cannot confirm it...lol

Why doesn't he devote more time to pool now? "There's no money in it." He makes around $200,000 a year playin' poker. :rolleyes:

Whadayagonnado.....
 
I think online user can get in for only $50 if they won the online tournament, but the rest of the field might have to pay up to 10K(mostly buy-in) just to get in. So there is really no reason to complain why there is more money in poker than pool.
 
Russ;

Have to disagree with you about the luck. Probability is not a factor as the game changes. Live player goes broke and your screwed. If the game stayed the same all the time, yeah it would work out. The player has to adjust his play considering the luck factor. Play position and players instead of the cards.

Cards have been part of pool for many years. I played cards for a living for many years, in the late 60s into the 80s. At the larger tournaments we played in the hotel rooms. Its always been part of gambling allure that traditionally attracted people to pool.

Having said that, I think for the players, the biggest problem is it keeps them broke. Hense, I made alot more money playing cards with the top players than beating them with a cue. Today many of the players head for the hold'em tables as soon as they make a score. Not good. In Reno recently, as soon as the matches were over, instead of matching up, they headed for the hold'em tables.

Poker sucks for pool in many ways. It isn't all luck, but there is a hefty portion. It just sort of replaced the hookers and alcohol, to help players stay broke.
 
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sydbarret said:
Also when playing low-limit online,many hours and multiple games you WILL NOT be a winning player in the long run regardless of your skill level. The reason being is that you will not overcome the RAKE.A top limit player can hang in there at best.

People tend to only remeber the wins. :)
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I'm not sure why you say this. I don't multi-table, but I've been a consistent winner at low buy-in Texas Hold'em (both limit and NL) online for close to two years.
 
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