The amount of money is sick!!!

UWPoolGod1 said:
I think I wasted the good portion of a year after work playing on PokerStars, other than the times I had pool league or tourneys. Started with $100 and worked myself playing $6.50 turbo SNG's up about $1700. I never started playing the higher limits due to taking my winnings out to pay for my pool trips to Vegas for APA so I never had a huge bankroll. I have since taken all of my money off the site. Not because of the threat of legal action for playing, just got burnt out on it and got back to playing pool.


What I have found is the cheap SNG's are the hardest ones to play. Everyone just sits around and waits for the nuts. Bad players are very hard to read. You'll have 8 players left and the blinds are up to 200-400. You have to get into the $20-30 games. The players play a lot looser. Once you get over $50 then you get some real strong players who have made lots of money and played thousands of hands.
 
PoolBum said:
I'm not sure why you say this. I don't multi-table, but I've been a consistent winner at low buy-in Texas Hold'em (both limit and NL) online for close to two years.

its why I said that.

It has zero to do with skill. Keep it in mind it will only help you.:)
 
Per the OP, poker has affected the amount of time I play pool, but more importantly my interest in pool is not there. Mostly this is do the my addiction to online poker. I became addicted in October 2005. Started at Absolute Poker, and suddenly my 5.00 tourney fees were turning into 300.00 up to 1200.00. Field sizes were 300 for the smaller ones up to 800 or so for the guarenteed tourneys. It is absolutely amazing how EASY it is in a online poker tourney to get into the money. As a poker player, getting into the money sucks, since you get your entry fee plus just a little bit back (sound like pool?). Final Tables is where the big money (compared to your entry) comes in. Yes it is significantly harder to do and win these, and a fair amount of luck is needed.

The advantage of this is that you can join multiple tourneys at the same time. The downside of tourney poker online is the time committment, since a midsized tourney 300 - 500 players still will take approx 5 - 6 hours depending on the type of tourney. This is what stopped me from continuing the tourney aspect of poker.

Someone stated that you need the cards and luck to win at poker, and this is entirely not true. You will never be sitting at a table of robots that are professionals, and if so, practice table selection. And playing the game NL is about position and the players, not the cards.

My current addiction is trying to beat the cash games. Variance in cash games is very high, and something that people dont consider. Just within the past 3 months or so, do I feel very confident in my abilities to withstand the variance. Bankroll management is a huge downfall to the vast majority of poker players, myself included. After my first 1200.00 back in October 2005, I obviously had to take money out (wife's orders), but decided I wanted to take the 600.00 I left online to play NL200 at AP. Buyin was 200bb's so $400.00 was max. I left myself to $300 entries. Short example, I went busto with AA, and set of 10's within my first hour of trying it. Couldnt figure it out. This game is supposed to be easy right? Get your money in while ahead and pray that the final 2 or 1 card dont kill your dreams.

Since that dreadful day, I put back a few dollars each time to start over $50.00 or so, and started the GRINDING at the NL25 level. The damn quarter level of poker online. A few more tourney successes and the wife is always right there 'ordering' a withdrawl. She doesnt understand the requirements to playing online. Generally speaking someone needs 20 - 30 buyins for whatever level cash game they are playing, or 20 - 30 buyins for the single table tourneys, and ALOT more buyins for Multiple Table Tourneys. Its hard building this bankroll with family and kids. Especially when they see you lose a major pot or something.

Today I am playing NL100 most of the time, some SNGs with family members, and occasional $26.00 tourneys at Full Tilt.

For those that stated you cant play online anymore, the online bill passed stopping online banking transactions making it harder (not impossible) to put money online. The easiest way is to use Neteller (simliar to Paypal) for most sites still letting U.S. customers play. Speaking of sites, FullTilt, Pokerstars, Absolute Poker, and also Fullcontact poker is available.

Anyone interested be sure to google "rakeback" and get signed up with that prior to playing online. Its a percentage of your rake paid.

Instead of quoting some of the posts, I tossed some of the ideas that came to mind. I am not advertising any sites or preferences, just stated which ones are available. If you are curious about anything or want clarification on anything stated, ask or pm me.
 
15 years ago there was a card room 50 yards from the pool room i played at, i had to beg for $20 action and give up the nuts to get a game, then 3 hours later I would go over to the card room and see the guy I was playing for $20 a set, playing pai-gow for 200-500 a hand, makes no sense to me. Vegas is the worst action on the planet, the pool players there are the biggest nut-hunters ever because they dont bother to come to the pool room until the casino has them busted, you'll never see 2 people who live in Vegas play each other-no one will ever get out of line or over their head-the casinos get it all. same thing with online poker
 
Why Poker > Pool (for making money)

Lets say you play this guy at your local hall for $20 a game 9-ball and he plays terrible but LOVES to gamble. After you beat him two or three sessions he will probably never play you again unless he is a rare breed.

Lets say you go online and play a guy heads up limit holdem and he plays terrible but LOVES to gamble. After you beat him two or three sessions he WILL come back. This is due to the great luck factor in poker that makes suckers keep comming back.

The edge that people have in pool is so great that it kills the gamble.

Take a House Pro vs. a guy that plays at home with his buddies.
There is such a lopsided advantage that there is no way that the home game player will be stupid enough to keep playing due to the stroke/kicks/banks/safetys. This cycle happens over and over for fish aka bad pool players.


Take a Cash Game Pro vs a home game poker player heads up.
In this instance the home game player might win the first two sessions! then he might lose 10 sessions in a row due to variance. Nine out of ten home game players will chalk this up to bad cards, running dead etc. This cycle happens over and over for fish aka bad poker players.
 
In the immortal words of Jimmy Mataya - "If we had golf's money, they'd be the bums!"
 
kevin s said:
I work 15 hours a week at our local poolroom. I also run a card game four days a week. I make my living playing,side betting and putting players in the box. I know lots of top players and believe me its a tough way to make a living! With that all in mind, I just was in a online poker tournament with 432 players and first place was $232,000!! One day,one tournament that lasted around ten hours! I have a good friend that devoted a week and years of practice to win his first major 9-ball tournament that paided a nice $12,000! That for the record was the exact prize money in the poker tournament for 9TH PLACE!! Maybe this is old news but I still can't believe this! It has been said that texas-holdem has really hurt pool for some time now at a local level, and most poolrooms have tried to accomadate their customers by adding that. The IPT we all hoped would be the money that would take our game of billiards to the next level!
The question I hope to discuss is;

Are there any players you know of that has pretty much dropped pool in need of the money that poker offers? And do you think it has hurt pool in your area?

Lessee. Tang Hoa. For a time Ginky. Mark Tadd. Many more I am certain of were lost to cards.

Everytime I hear a poolplayer talk about cards it is depressing.
 
I don't believe it is the pool players who go to poker---I believe it is the gamblers and hustlers.
 
On-line poker found a way to tap into the "I would have been, should have been, and could have been a pro (insert sport here), but (insert excuse here)" crowd that is the hardcore sports fan base. Anyone that hasn't had a recent lobotomy can control 2 cards playing hold'em (which is not real poker...period!)

I did play about every pool tour going when I was younger and cashed way more than I lost. Had more great days gambling than bad ones also.

But there are only a very few players in pool, poker, football, basketball, etc... that have ever actually made a comfortable living doing any of them.

I'm glad I realized this while I was in my 20's and focused myself around a real life and real $ from hard azz work.. I'm still a AA rated player and the only difference now is I don't owe anyone on Earth a dime.

There are no quick ways to fame and fortune unless you are the needle in the haystack.

I love the "game" of pool and keep it in it's proper perspective in my life. The reason some make a few quick and short lived $ in poker or pool is that 99% of people are born losers to begin with.

just my .02, FL Dave
 
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