You may want to check your facts. GSP has 9 title defenses, the same as DJ. One more, and DJ ties Silva. Don't know which internet site you get your "facts" from, but you might want to choose a different one. And DJ is STILL the active champion. That at least puts him on par with GSP.
To me Efren is different that all his peers, past and present in ANY game/sport/competition....he's a ''one of a kind''. I think there is no other athlete from any sport that has what he has, and has had. Many don't know how lucky we are to have such a special person alive during our life. Many used to talk about the Knoxville Bear and his banking abilities, but he also had that innate ability to learn any game quickly, do it differently than anyone else, get away with it and beat his peers in a game they were better at, when he learned it. Players from his generation never played position in 14.1 for a bank shot to continue there inning. He didn't think that way.
Heh, I actually said GSP has one more, IF you count the unification. And even if you don't, and he ties DJ, Silva still has one more and your argument where you urged me to compare them, wouldn't make any sense, unless you wished me to "tie" them. And if you wish me to "tie" them in accordance to the title defenses, it still wouldn't make DJ more valid for GOAT, and I already said, that I would have mentioned him next.
Really, he's the best athlete to ever live? There are folks that won gold medals in 3, 4 and even 5 Olympics, competing against the BEST in the entire world.
I mean, how do you play 2 sports, Baseball and Football, professionally, and be an All-Star in both (only happened this one time) Shooting variants of different pool games is one thing, but playing 2 of the most demanding sports on the planet at the same time and excelling at them both? Not many persons on the planet can do that, actually, nobody else has done it that I recall.
And this does not even make BO the GOAT, just using him as a reference as there are just too many greats to list. But Efren is not in the conversation unless it's just strickly dealing in a pool environment, and then you still have Mosconi, Stickland and a few others to argue over
You're the one that doesn't get it. You spouted off about the greatness of JJ, GSP and AS. I said you were shortsighted in not mentioned DJ. You then come up with absurdities like "unification fights", and other crap.
DJ is only below Silva. He's tied with GSP. He's past JJ. And he's the only active champ. So...unless you'd like me to draw you a picture, I can't make it any more clear to you. I said it was embarrassing that you brought up GOATs in MMA, and didn't mention the reigning P4P king of MMA.
I put Fedor above all. The only black mark on him will be that he never competed in the UFC, so we never saw him against the elite heavyweights. I have no doubt he would have succeeded. He was just that good.
I just found your analysis lacking, and then your trying to justify not having DJ's name amongst the greats, somewhat short sighted.
According to the experts, Federer is the best ever, and I'm saying this as a 60/40 Rafa fan. And the experts have been saying this for long, though Rafa's ability to break his record has been matter of interest. The final in Melbourne was a big factor in this issue, too.
Rafa certainly is a "spike in the flesh" for Federer, but mostly because of the clay expertise and the hard time he gave on that – which also build the record how it is. If Rafa will win four or more majors still, and Federer none, the things will change, but also style-wise the experts prefer Roger's skill level to be higher.
Djokovic might have something to say into this, too, but he hasn't been as strong recently as he should be to build it.
Heh, sir, please focus. Read my original message about MMA once more with clear mind and try to digest what it says.
I never spouted about JJ. I answered to a guy, who spouted about JJ.
I did say I like him, but I continued he's hardly Top 5 GOAT.
I never spouted AS nor GSP either. I said that experts have ranked them highest. I did admit that those articles are few years old. I also said I would have mentioned DJ next. I admitted, that maybe I could have mentioned him while I mentioned Conor from the actives. I never mentioned any others.
I did spout Fedor.
I said P4P king is different than GOAT.
And now you're agreeing, that Fedor is above all, Silva is above DJ, and GSP ties DJ.
So please, tell me where did I disagree on that? If JJ is Top 5-6, then those four fit inside the remaining Top spots, and now you're telling me you agree in the order, too.
Yes, I still do think the weight class and the pool of opponents matters. I do watch Conor rather than DJ.
Ps: If DJ is so great, why don't he meet Conor in a 145p super fight? He wouldn't be any smaller than Fedor was compared to many of his opponents
Yeah you're right, it's way dumber than arguing about who's better at poking at a ball with a stick.I can't believe y'all are arguing about which man is better at hugging other men.
Ok then Eric Heiden. Theeeeeeeeee only Olympic speed skater to EVER win the shorts, the medium and the long distance races combined. Bolt can't do that, and that has NEVER been done before by any athlete that I know of in any sport. Mark Spitz tho comes too mind. Takes a different type of body to win different disciplines. That's why the Kenyan marathon runners are the greatest in long distance, but not the short distances. JMHO
Yeah you're right, it's way dumber than arguing about who's better at poking at a ball with a stick.
Anyways, I'm the guy that started this off with Jones. I believe he could be the all time great in the sport because when he first started in MMA the LHW division was full of buzzsaws and he walked through them and made them look like they all sucked. Rashad, Glover, Bader, DC, Shogun, and the list goes on. His only real challenge was Gustafsson. His first fight in the UFC was like 9 months after he had started training and he had already built up a 6-0 record. And unlike every other name in the conversation, he has never ever (legitimately) lost.
Of course DJ is fantastic and should be in the conversation. I don't see him losing to anyone until he retires, at which point he very well may be considered the GOAT. My issue is that DJ is not fighting guys with crazy knockout power, whereas Jones pretty much always is. Lots of danger there.
And I agree on Conor not belonging in this conversation. I think he gets smoked by most of the LW top 10.
Yes I mentioned Rockne earlier in response to Island Drive, but I think I meant to say Thorpe. I read some stuff about him, unbelievable stuff. Probably Chuck Norris dad or something
Babe Ruth by far the best baseball player of all time
Ted Williams who was Mickey Mantle's idol and no average hitter himself
pronounced the Babe the best by far
Some argument could be made for him being the greatest pitcher of all time
some others have Ruthian years or dominate some minor sport
for a while
Gorgeous George was such a great showman that Ali patterned his
bad guy image that later became Earl's