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SUPERSTAR

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Sounds like a fantastic idea.

Question.

If you manage to finish in the top 25% of the TV events. That means that you can no longer participate in the whole qualifying system right? You are just allowed to play in ALL the TV events?

AND... what happens if say, the first 25% is one group of people, and then say...the next 3 tournaments end up being a completely different 25% each tournament.

Wouldn't that fill up all the spots, or is there no limit on how many participate in the TV events?

Just wondering, even though i know that the likelyhood of this happening are basically nill, but you never know.

Good luck with it

SUPERSTAR
 
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I think it looks awesome and has huge potential. It is alot like systems I have yammered on about for a long time on this very board and I love to see someone finally doing something like it. Such a tiered system of tournaments and advancement can grow to in time become a professional organization like the PGA with a segregated top tier of high profile events with only the top players able to enter and the lower tiered events used a qualifiers for the future admission into the top events. I am looking forward to seeing how well this works in practice.
 
i'd just like to take this moment to say mike janis kicks ass........... :D


looks like a GREAT IDEA..........hopefully all the regional tours as well as the UPA will jump on board.

VAP
 
Guess this will be a good test of how true UPA is to their word

will they humble up and take a back seat to what Janis has done and help the sport grow, or will they be what they are currently - say no, and try to run their competitors' events into the ground, or will they say yes, under the condition that everyone signs with UPA.

If they really practice what they preach, it should be the first one.


vapoolplayer said:
i'd just like to take this moment to say mike janis kicks ass........... :D


looks like a GREAT IDEA..........hopefully all the regional tours as well as the UPA will jump on board.

VAP
 
TheFish said:
Guess this will be a good test of how true UPA is to their word

will they humble up and take a back seat to what Janis has done and help the sport grow, or will they be what they are currently - say no, and try to run their competitors' events into the ground, or will they say yes, under the condition that everyone signs with UPA.

If they really practice what they preach, it should be the first one.

i don't think the UPA will have much choice if ALL of the regional tours get on board.

if everything goes as planned then the NUTS will have around 348 tourneys in its system a year...................i'd like to see the UPA do something about over 300 tourneys.................i think you'd see alot of contracts being ripped up.

VAP
 
I like the tier concept but have a couple questions. Maybe someone can
help me a bit.
Whats a local level event? Which tour type?
Whats a regional level event? Tour ??

So to play in the Regional level you MUST first play in a local level event????
What if there are not many near you? How many people would actually
be in this category.
Years ago I used to play the McDermott tour events that
were local out of support to the local rooms and have fun. I cashed very infrequently. Generally I had to take time from work to attend these. Now with local levels I wonder if people will have the time and money.
If you can go straight to the regional level then thats great. I would not want anyone going directly past this level however.
If you fail in one event to finish top 50% you have to return to the local level only- is this correct?

The next level is spread out one per quarter per area. Thats good.
I take it this level is one step below the touring pro level.

I like how Mike has left it a bit open for all other tours and promotors to
get aboard. By playing in these events would that stop anyone from
playing in NON NUTS events.

Where does the money come from for the TV events?

Do you have to join each tour or level with a membership fee? Or a fee to NUTS?

If you are on the local or regional train the events are only 1000 minimum events. Is there a vision of bigger dollar events on these levels.

What if you qualify for the next level but dont want to go up? Can you stay
on the other level? Example-- Joe makes a regional level event and
finish top 50% but barely or solidly either way. Joe cant not afford to travel
as a pro but wants to play events. Can he continue to play on the regional
level. Does it just mean that he is eligible for the next level??

Also
If Joe makes the top tier but does not finish top 25% he has to start over.
Is this correct? Wouldn't that put very good players back in with the
lower level aspiring players trying to make it to the next level. Would that
take a guys top 5 or top 10 finish from him or worse a win away.

Would all players have to go through the qualifying or would NUTS and the
local operators get together and let the top players head to the top or at least a little higher level.

Is this by quarter or by event? The percentages? If you make the Top level
or any level how many events do you get at that level? one?

I think this is a good start and we will see who jumps on the wagon and
who does not. I think it needs some fine tuning but is a great start.
I am not a fan of the NUTS name or ACCOR hotels. The latter is a french owned corporation that I have dealt with in the past.
I do feel that this is closer to the expense level for many of the levels.

With as many players participating on all the levels it seems like it would be easier to attract sponsors.
 
frankncali said:
I like the tier concept but have a couple questions. Maybe someone can
help me a bit.
Whats a local level event? Which tour type?
Whats a regional level event? Tour ??

So to play in the Regional level you MUST first play in a local level event????
What if there are not many near you? How many people would actually
be in this category.
Years ago I used to play the McDermott tour events that
were local out of support to the local rooms and have fun. I cashed very infrequently. Generally I had to take time from work to attend these. Now with local levels I wonder if people will have the time and money.
If you can go straight to the regional level then thats great. I would not want anyone going directly past this level however.
If you fail in one event to finish top 50% you have to return to the local level only- is this correct?

The next level is spread out one per quarter per area. Thats good.
I take it this level is one step below the touring pro level.

I like how Mike has left it a bit open for all other tours and promotors to
get aboard. By playing in these events would that stop anyone from
playing in NON NUTS events.

Where does the money come from for the TV events?

Do you have to join each tour or level with a membership fee? Or a fee to NUTS?

If you are on the local or regional train the events are only 1000 minimum events. Is there a vision of bigger dollar events on these levels.

What if you qualify for the next level but dont want to go up? Can you stay
on the other level? Example-- Joe makes a regional level event and
finish top 50% but barely or solidly either way. Joe cant not afford to travel
as a pro but wants to play events. Can he continue to play on the regional
level. Does it just mean that he is eligible for the next level??

Also
If Joe makes the top tier but does not finish top 25% he has to start over.
Is this correct? Wouldn't that put very good players back in with the
lower level aspiring players trying to make it to the next level. Would that
take a guys top 5 or top 10 finish from him or worse a win away.

Would all players have to go through the qualifying or would NUTS and the
local operators get together and let the top players head to the top or at least a little higher level.

Is this by quarter or by event? The percentages? If you make the Top level
or any level how many events do you get at that level? one?

I think this is a good start and we will see who jumps on the wagon and
who does not. I think it needs some fine tuning but is a great start.
I am not a fan of the NUTS name or ACCOR hotels. The latter is a french owned corporation that I have dealt with in the past.
I do feel that this is closer to the expense level for many of the levels.

With as many players participating on all the levels it seems like it would be easier to attract sponsors.

i'm sure mike will answer all the questions..........here's what i got from reading the press release.

all the tours will still have their regular schedules, those are the local stops.

by placing in one of those stops, you can now play in a regional tourney. (if you can't place in the top 6, trust me, the regional would crush you)

each TOUR will have a regional tourney EACH QUARTER. so basically you have 4 months (which is usually 4 events) on each tour to qualify for their regional.

then to move on, you must place in the TOP 50% to move onto the national qualifying events.

these qualifying events are NOT SINGLE TOUR EVENTS, they are COMBINED, (example.......joss and planet pool are in the same region, so their top 50 percent of players from their single tour regional event go onto the NATIONAL QUALIFYING regional event)

the top 50 percent of these national qualifying events move onto the NATIONAL T.V. events.

this is where you get your chance. you've made it all the way to the nationals, now you have to place in the top 25 percent. (so if you had 200 players, 50 would get to stay on)

if you place in the top 25% you stay on "tour" you are automatically put in the NATIONAL T.V. events. the rest of the players start over.

the way i understood it, basically the process starts over every quarter. which is good, because the local tour can still have their points list for their tour and the N.U.T.S doesn't interfere.

i also took it, that at any time, if you fall out of the top 25 percent, you have to start over..............so, if you placed high in one t.v. event, and the next two you did poorly and you dropped out of the top 25% overall..........guess what.........back to the minor leagues to re-qualify.

i think this is a GREAT idea, and i love the format.

i also think the NAME is GREAT

you have to join the tour you're trying to qualify on, or pay their single event dues, i'm sure. and 2 dollars goes to the NUTS fund.

seems to start over every quarter, so basically, you try for 4 months to get onto the regional, then you try to get in the top half at regional, then you try to get in the top half at the national qualifier, top half there, you move to t.v..........then you have to stay in the top quarter to stay on from there.

so the only place you actually get "dropped" from, is the t.v. if you don't make it to the t.v. tourney, you'll be qualifying for everything. its actually a pretty simple concept.

as far as the time and money, people have plenty of time and money to make the local tours already, the only thing they will have to worry about is if they make it to the national qualifiers or the t.v. rounds. unless there is a fund to pay for those two.

the regional will be in the same area as the local, so there is no extra travel there.

as far as the money for the t.v. rounds, i'm not sure, mike will have to tell us that.


VAP
 
i see that there is a max of 12 telivised events per year, this would be the pro level i'm sure.

i think that the UPA should jump on the band wagon here, and make it mandatory that for entrance into the UPA events you have to archieve "touring pro" status on the N.U.T.S system. I think that the top 50 percent of the NUTS tv events should be granted UPA touring pro status.

that would allow for plenty of tourney's a year for the pro pool player to make a living.

you could also have "wild card buy ins" for the UPA events, where if someone who hasn't archieved "touring pro" status, they have to pay twice the entry fee. or half more on the entry fee............that allows them to play in that event ONLY, and they still have to incur the same fee everytime, until they archieve touring pro status.

VAP
 
I applaud Mike Janis for bringing this baby to fruition. To make it work, the NUTS will need the collective cooperation from quite a few entities, and I sure do hope he can make this happen. It is a fresh, innovative, and creative concept! :)

There may be a few hiccups along the way to work out, one being the "unified" rules to follow, i.e., some tours allow jump cues and others do not, as an example.

Bravo to Joe Tucker, Mike Janis, and every other person who is willing to get on the NUTS band wagon. This could be the best thing that has happened for the game/sport of pool in a very long time.

JMHO, FWIW!

JAM
 
I am right with JAM. This is cool! The effort of Mike J. and all the other folks who helped him put together the plan should be applauded. Sure, there will have to be refinement adn details to be hammered out, but this could be huge!
 
Black-Balled said:
I am right with JAM. This is cool! The effort of Mike J. and all the other folks who helped him put together the plan should be applauded. Sure, there will have to be refinement adn details to be hammered out, but this could be huge!

Hey, Black-Balled. Congratulations on your taking the lead on the points with the Planet Pool 9-Ball Tour! :)

Surely, you're going to Salisbury this weekend! ;)

Imagine if this NUTS things was in force, you'd be on your way to the next level. At any rate, good luck to you. :cool:

JAM
 
I just finished reading the press release on the main page and this looks like the start of something really good for pool. Although I will never see the bright lights of TV tables it will sure be fun trying.
Mike, Joe and everyone else involved with getting this off the ground should be commended and I truly hope the UPA gets on board because something of this magnitude can really do nothing but help the players.

Just curious to know if there is someone in mind to run this whole thing. Seems like a fairly large endeavor.

Koop
 
The only other question that comes to my mind, would be, how do foreign players qualify?

Do they have to fly over here and qualify like in the WPBA?

SUPERSTAR
 
SUPERSTAR said:
The only other question that comes to my mind, would be, how do foreign players qualify?

Do they have to fly over here and qualify like in the WPBA?

SUPERSTAR

I guess for now that is the way it would have to be. If it grows and becomes a truely huge pro level tour at the top level then perhaps in time it could extend to the international stage since the game is so huge in Europe and Asia as well. In time I would love to see a single massive money international pro pool tour, all the best players from all around the world on a single tour that plays in all 4 corners of the world on tour stops. Perhaps in 20 years the San Miguel, the UPA, the European tour, and this new tour will all merge and become a great international pro tour that is played all across the world. Few games/sports are truely international in appeal, pool is rare like that and it is a really big advantage and opportunity.

This is a great first step, let it grow slowly, I can see big things in the future for this that it can grow into but it needs to go slow because any time this sport tried to make quantum leaps forward it always crashes and burns.
 
Why is everyone so concerned about the UPA?

What good does it do if they "jump on board"?

Why not just ignore them altogether, and start a N.U.T.S. tour, with N.U.T.S. rules and regulations to be controlled by the N.U.T.S.?
A N.U.T.S. membership so to speak. Have they (UPA) ever done anything to help others,or just themselves?

I mean, this is something that took some vision, and the fact that the UPA couldn't acheive this, leaves me wondering if they really deserve to benefit from it.

How would they help?

Superstroke
 
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Superstroke said:
Why is everyone so concerned about the UPA?

What good does it do if they "jump on board"?

Why not just ignore them altogether, and start a N.U.T.S. tour, with N.U.T.S. rules and regulations to be controlled by the N.U.T.S.?
A N.U.T.S. membership so to speak. Have they (UPA) ever done anything to help others,or just themselves?

I mean, this is something that took some vision, and the fact that the UPA couldn't acheive this, leaves me wondering if they really deserve to benefit from it.

How would they help?

In the words of Yogi Berra, "If people don't want to come out to the ball park, nobody's gonna stop 'em." :p

JAM
 
Oh yeah...one more thought.

If the top 25% are no longer allowed to play in the lower events, what does this mean for the people that use these events to supplement their income.

There are a few players that usually dominate in certain regions and have a greater chance of say finishing in the top 25%. I would assume that the income they gain on the regionals might be worth more to them, when compared to the POSSIBLE income they can achieve when compared to the fields they might encounter at the big time events at the top of the system.

Like how would they feel if they could never go back to those tournaments to make money?

SUPERSTAR
 
Superstroke said:
Why is everyone so concerned about the UPA?

What good does it do if they "jump on board"?

Why not just ignore them altogether, and start a N.U.T.S. tour, with N.U.T.S. rules and regulations to be controlled by the N.U.T.S.?
A N.U.T.S. membership so to speak. Have they (UPA) ever done anything to help others,or just themselves?

I mean, this is something that took some vision, and the fact that the UPA couldn't acheive this, leaves me wondering if they really deserve to benefit from it.

How would they help?

Superstroke


Division is bad in any sport. You dont want to split the playerbase and the events. You get multiple ranking systems using different tournaments to determine different point leaders and different money leaders. There is a reason all huge sports have one single premier tour/league. There is a reason the WHL was absorbed into the NHL. If this sport is going to succeed in the end and become huge it is required that one single strong tour rises to the top and becomes the undisputed only real "pro" tour of the sport.
 
Info pls???

Were can I find more info on this proposal?...is it in the 10-Ball thread?...is there a web page?...I saw people mention a press release, where can it be found?

thx~
 
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