The perfect GC1, 2, 3, 4, 5, &6, really?

[realkingcobra]

This is how you measure the corner pockets. Take the protractor measurement and place the legs on a ruler then measure the distance between the points of the legs, in this case the pocket opening from point to point measures 4 1/2" inches, yet the 2 balls set inside of the jaws of the pocket a little. The reason that happens is because in order to split the balls between the points of the pocket opening, the pocket would need to be measured at 4 7/16" because the balls don't touch at the points of the pocket, they touch below that point, which is actually wider than the measured distance of the pocket. So this pocket is actually 4 9/16" at the mouth of the pocket, a 1/16" wider than the measured pocket opening being 4 1/2".

 

[realkingcobra]

Finished GC1

 

[phreaticus]

RKC, super informative thread! I had no idea older CG castings could be made flush, thats a little pet peeve of mine & one reason why I splurged on a newer CG. Questions (sorry for my ignorance, I’m new to table build details & don’t have an older GC in front me as I type this)
1) in your post #80 above, what exactly are we looking at in the 2nd pic? Is that the bottom inside of the corner casting?
2) My GC6 castings sit pretty nice & flush, but the sides pockets & one corner sit a bit proud & annoy my OCD tendencies. Can a similar trick be done on them? If its too much PITA to explain, or beyond what a layman can understand/do, no problem.

Gorgeous work & thx for sharing!

 

[Fatboy]

I know Glen personally and professionally as well.

This thread is a masterpiece of showcasing just some of his talents.

Idk wtf happens when he goes off the rails here on some threads. Then 15 minutes later he calls me and we have a normal conversation. Kinda like this thread.

He’s a dick sometimes, not to me-but others. And yet in real life or the phone he’s never a dick or goes off into left field.

I’m just describing my experience with him, I like this version better.

I’ll let him speak for himself, he’s a genius and has his momnents.


Thx for what you do

Fatboy

 

[realkingcobra]

RKC, super informative thread! I had no idea older CG castings could be made flush, thats a little pet peeve of mine & one reason why I splurged on a newer CG. Questions (sorry for my ignorance, I’m new to table build details & don’t have an older GC in front me as I type this)
1) in your post #80 above, what exactly are we looking at in the 2nd pic? Is that the bottom inside of the corner casting?
2) My GC6 castings sit pretty nice & flush, but the sides pockets & one corner sit a bit proud & annoy my OCD tendencies. Can a similar trick be done on them? If its too much PITA to explain, or beyond what a layman can understand/do, no problem.

Gorgeous work & thx for sharing!

In post #80 if you look at the picture of the bottom of the rail, and expand the picture, you can see the leveling screw head proud of the wood actually keeping the casting from sitting down on the bottom of the rail, which is how the top of the casting is lined up with the finish of the rail. I don't know much about the GC5's because I've only worked on Fatboys, and I haven't touched a GC6 because I just haven't had the desire to.

PS, Fatboys GC5 was enough to turn me off to working on them, and haven't since then.

 

[phreaticus]

In post #80 if you look at the picture of the bottom of the rail, and expand the picture, you can see the leveling screw head proud of the wood actually keeping the casting from sitting down on the bottom of the rail, which is how the top of the casting is lined up with the finish of the rail. I don't know much about the GC5's because I've only worked on Fatboys, and I haven't touched a GC6 because I just haven't had the desire to.

PS, Fatboys GC5 was enough to turn me off to working on them, and haven't since then.

All good. Thx

 

[realkingcobra]

RKC, super informative thread! I had no idea older CG castings could be made flush, thats a little pet peeve of mine & one reason why I splurged on a newer CG. Questions (sorry for my ignorance, I’m new to table build details & don’t have an older GC in front me as I type this)
1) in your post #80 above, what exactly are we looking at in the 2nd pic? Is that the bottom inside of the corner casting?
2) My GC6 castings sit pretty nice & flush, but the sides pockets & one corner sit a bit proud & annoy my OCD tendencies. Can a similar trick be done on them? If its too much PITA to explain, or beyond what a layman can understand/do, no problem.

Gorgeous work & thx for sharing!

Just like on Fatboys GC5, if the wood under the pocket casting sits a little to high, the result is the casting sits a little to high. On his table I had to remove some of the wood the casting sat on in order to lower it down so it would sit flush with the rail cap. Your pocket castings if I had to guess have the same issue. The biggest reason I don't work with the 5 or 6's is because I don't set them up new, although I've had plenty off offers from Brunswick to work for them, I'm more of a Neurosurgeon for pool tables, and setting up new Brunswick pool tables is more of a job for a Protologist

 

[plshrk22]

This was the 3rd Gold Crown that I have had Glen setup and every time I learn something new. He is truly a master table mechanic.

This GC1 may be my favorite so far. The antique look and the white/cream side skirts just scream “old school” and I love it.

Thanks again, Glen!

 

[realkingcobra]

This was the 3rd Gold Crown that I have had Glen setup and every time I learn something new. He is truly a master table mechanic.

This GC1 may be my favorite so far. The antique look and the white/cream side skirts just scream “old school” and I love it.

Thanks again, Glen!

Just keep in mind you only get one 1 GC1 setup per lifetime

 

[plshrk22]

Just keep in mind you only get one 1 GC1 setup per lifetime

I’m just working my way through them. Now I need a GCII! When you move here we can build that one together though.

 

[yankee817299]

Glenn, I have a GCIII and your saying that my table can be engineered so the castings sit flush with the rails? That would be amazing. I supposedly have one of the best mechanics in the DFW area and my castings sit above the rails as much as the thickness of a quarter dollar. All these years I just thought that they sat on top of the rails until I ran through this thread.

 

[TrxR]

Half a picture is better than no picture. Forget the arm, hand, and calipers.
Just look at the cloth weave on the table and the rails.
Compare that with the opposite pocket on the same end rail and try to explain away the difference in the roll of balls to each pocket and why they are opposite to the other end of the same table.

Show your proof. The way the modern high end cloth is woven and stretched I honestly don't think you will see any difference will ball roll from one direction to the other. This isn't snooker cloth were talking about. If it was it would be classed as directional and would have instructions to be installed in a certain direction.

 

[TrxR]

Ever hear of selvage, bias and grain lines???
Proof????? You wouldn't believe it anyway, but here: https://www.pooltablefeltcloth.com/images/Documents/simonis-cloth-installation-guide.pdf
Find an instructor nearby and pay them. They might even be able to demonstrate it for you.
Otherwise, just continue to play in the dark! Deep Knowledge doesn't come free of charge.
Snooker! Don't even get me started on that tickler.

Selvage is just done to keep the material from playing not to do with direction bias and Simonis only really states which side has to face up.

You show me real proof to read and I'll believe it.

 

[realkingcobra]

Ever hear of selvage, bias and grain lines???
Proof????? You wouldn't believe it anyway, but here: https://www.pooltablefeltcloth.com/images/Documents/simonis-cloth-installation-guide.pdf
Find an instructor nearby and pay them. They might even be able to demonstrate it for you.
Otherwise, just continue to play in the dark! Deep Knowledge doesn't come free of charge.
Snooker! Don't even get me started on that tickler.

Ever hear of selvage, bias and grain lines???
Proof????? You wouldn't believe it anyway, but here: https://www.pooltablefeltcloth.com/images/Documents/simonis-cloth-installation-guide.pdf
Find an instructor nearby and pay them. They might even be able to demonstrate it for you.
Otherwise, just continue to play in the dark! Deep Knowledge doesn't come free of charge.
Snooker! Don't even get me started on that tickler.

And what you just quoted is the worst possible way of installing any cloth, period! Learn something!!

 

[TrxR]

From all material I can find to read and from a few installers I've talked to worsted cloth like simonis 860 is not the least bit directional and should have to difference in roll from one direction to the other if it's installed and properly taken care of.

 

[JayB93]

From Simonis...all the rails are cut from the side of the cloth not the end. So, when you turn those rail cuts to be the end rails that would
create the so-called dreaded directionality...right? If so, seems like Simonis doesn't have a problem with it - as their factory cutting directions create the directionality. AmIright??

I don't have a dog in this...just seems like this is pretty easily resolved by just looking at Simonis website. The only thing they are clear about is SMOOTH SIDE UP. If directionality was a thing, wouldn't the end rails be cut from the end and the side rails be cut from the side?

http://www.simoniscloth.com/media/managed/copy/1030/10011/SimonisClothCuttingGuide.pdf

 

[realkingcobra]

One more time. Info is out there and here: http://www.simoniscloth.com/installation.
Makes no difference how good of an installer of cloth, you are or that you use.
They cannot change the characteristics of the cloth.
Get used to it. The covers all roll off directionally.

And who do you suppose wrote the book, or videos in this case for properly installing the Simonis cloths?

 

[TrxR]

One more time. Info is out there and here: http://www.simoniscloth.com/installation.
Makes no difference how good of an installer of cloth, you are or that you use.
They cannot change the characteristics of the cloth.
Get used to it. The covers all roll off directionally.

Oh I've read that several times and nowhere does it say anything like your saying.

I also believe RealKingCobra was involved in the book and videos on how to install it.

 

[realkingcobra]

Show the proof for your claims about the video/book credits. Just insert the statements here:

Radar

I set the standards on how to install Simonis cloth, is that enough proof for you?
And not just for Simonis cloth, for ALL cloths!

 

[realkingcobra]

Ayeah!

Buy my Simonis cloth instalation DVD's if you're still not convinced