Touching the cloth with hands or cue?

ShootingArts

Smorg is giving St Peter the 7!
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You gotta be good to the customers.

The last few years I gambled nightly I did treat the people I gambled with regularly like better customers at my day businesses. Anyone that would drop fifty or a hundred dollars and then part friendly was well worth cultivating in the seventies and eighties. Few would drop more than that regularly with some degree of grace.

Hu
 

hang-the-9

AzB Silver Member
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I've thought about that when I've seen people put their tip behind the object ball where the cue ball should be in order to make the ball. Some time they leave the tip there and walk over to the cue to get the angle. Always thought maybe that might leave a chalk mark they can then aim at. Apparently it's legal though.

It's fine to aim with the cue this way to get a line on the shot, it's not legal to mark the table deliberately. How one determines one or the other, eh... that is the crux of the matter. It's about as interesting to make a call on that as to call out a player for a safe when playing bar rules no safe shooting when he misses a ball and "accidentally" leaves you hooked, then spends the next few minutes saying how badly he missed the shot to try to show that it was all luck.
 
You know where I stand on this issue. First of all remove the diamonds from the rails. Secondly it is a foul if your cue stick touches the cloth any time other than when executing the shot. You should not be allowed to use the cue stick to try to find angles or mark the table.
 

Sheldon

dontneednostinkintitle
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Johnny Archer was known for that. I’m not sure it could be done these days with a carbon fiber break shaft?
People still jack up on their breaks with very stiff carbon shafts and with the super hard tips they're using, it's pretty rough on cloth. They dig in and leave a white burn mark every time.
 

trob

AzB Silver Member
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I see a lot of players on live streams and videos touching the cloth with their hands or cue. Their either picking at particals or lining up a shot or position for their next shot. Here’s my problem with that. You shouldn’t be allowed to touch the cloth for any reason. Particularly in a competition. Your hands can be oily or dirty or both. Your cue tip can leave chalk on the cloth. Tyler Styer is constantly touching the cloth with his cue. To me it is interference with the playing surface and should be a foul. If there is a foreign object on the table you should inform the referee or your opponent and determine how to remove it without affecting the surface.
Right when you think az can’t get any dumber this guy comes along. I guess now we should use a floating bridge. 😂
 

buckshotshoey

AzB Silver Member
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Right when you think az can’t get any dumber this guy comes along. I guess now we should use a floating bridge. 😂
Then, the "natrual pool player" comes along....


You know where I stand on this issue. First of all remove the diamonds from the rails. Secondly it is a foul if your cue stick touches the cloth any time other than when executing the shot. You should not be allowed to use the cue stick to try to find angles or mark the table.
Remove the diamonds? Are you serious? I think you got a bad batch.
 
Then, the "natrual pool player" comes along....



Remove the diamonds? Are you serious? I think you got a bad batch.
Yes at the pro level...this isn't paint by numbers. You shouldn't need them...I can hit 1,2,3 rail kicks all day long without using the diamonds as a guide. I mean if you use a diamond system, same like if you use an "aiming" system, then I know right away you can't play at my level, so I don't really care, but its embarrassing for the game.
 

straightline

AzB Silver Member
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Yes at the pro level...this isn't paint by numbers. You shouldn't need them...I can hit 1,2,3 rail kicks all day long without using the diamonds as a guide. I mean if you use a diamond system, same like if you use an "aiming" system, then I know right away you can't play at my level, so I don't really care, but its embarrassing for the game.
The natural game is a dog show compared to the consistency of whatever method the machines are using.
 

TeddyKGB

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The room i practice in just replaced the cloth on a bunch of diamond tables...it was great playing on like new equipment, 2 days later one of the tables has this huge grease spot by the 2nd diamond where some ass has been eating chicken and fries and never wiped off his hands, basically used the table as a napkin everytime he broke...
 

ChrisinNC

AzB Silver Member
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The room i practice in just replaced the cloth on a bunch of diamond tables...it was great playing on like new equipment, 2 days later one of the tables has this huge grease spot by the 2nd diamond where some ass has been eating chicken and fries and never wiped off his hands, basically used the table as a napkin everytime he broke...
Exactly why we don’t allow players to eat while they play - A policy I recall having received much criticism on here for enforcing.
 

buckshotshoey

AzB Silver Member
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Yes at the pro level...this isn't paint by numbers. You shouldn't need them...I can hit 1,2,3 rail kicks all day long without using the diamonds as a guide. I mean if you use a diamond system, same like if you use an "aiming" system, then I know right away you can't play at my level, so I don't really care, but its embarrassing for the game.
Guess what? The pros use the diamonds. It part of the table and has been for what? 100 years?

I call bullshit. If you are that good, get your ass out on tour. I'm betting you are using the diamonds. And I'll also bet you are using a system for your 2 and 3 rail kicks. Probably spot on the wall for the three rail. Don't tell me you don't have your own system.
 

ShootingArts

Smorg is giving St Peter the 7!
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Guess what? The pros use the diamonds. It part of the table and has been for what? 100 years?

I call bullshit. If you are that good, get your ass out on tour. I'm betting you are using the diamonds. And I'll also bet you are using a system for your 2 and 3 rail kicks. Probably spot on the wall for the three rail. Don't tell me you don't have your own system.

Gotta remove the pockets too since they are used in place of diamonds. All of the pocket billiard games are gonna last a really long time as I guess that pockets will have to be on pedestals outside of the oval table. Can't have corners either, people would use them for reference points!

Hu
 
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