west system 207

[J.T.450r]

Is it ok to use west system 207 along with 105 in cue construction such as the a joint connecting screw? I bought it thinking thats what people were using seeing it on several cue suppliers sites but I noticed that 207 is the only west system not rated as a bonder more of a finish.

 

[masonh]

i use a different brand of epoxy now,but i used to use the West 205 and 206 for the a-joint.i am sure 207 would work,but you may want to call West and ask them to be sure.

 

[macguy]

Is it ok to use west system 207 along with 105 in cue construction such as the a joint connecting screw? I bought it thinking thats what people were using seeing it on several cue suppliers sites but I noticed that 207 is the only west system not rated as a bonder more of a finish.

You should check out their site there is a lot of info
http://www.westsystem.com/ss/product-selection-chart/
http://www.westsystem.com/ss/

The reason you see it on sites that sell to cue makers is because it is commonly used as a sealer.

 

[Michael Webb]

Is it ok to use west system 207 along with 105 in cue construction such as the a joint connecting screw? I bought it thinking thats what people were using seeing it on several cue suppliers sites but I noticed that 207 is the only west system not rated as a bonder more of a finish.

It is good for sealing the cues with, also okay for gluing veneer sheets with, I personally wouldn't use it for -A- joints, ring work or point construction.

 

[J.T.450r]

Thanks guys that's what I figured after I read it just wanted some conformation.

 

[Cheez Dawg]

I have been using the 207 hardener for almost everything for 3 years with no problems or failures.

 

[JBCustomCues]

About a 2 years ago I called west system and had about an 45 min conversation with one of there techs and he basically told me that 105 with the 207 hardner is just as hard as the 205 and 206 hardner. In fact its harder than both 205 and 206 after a 2 week cureing period. The reason that most people dont use it is because it costs quite abit more.. I also posted a link to the typical-physical-properties page from there West Systems site..

http://www.westsystem.com/ss/typical-physical-properties/

 

[macguy]

About a 2 years ago I called west system and had about an 45 min conversation with one of there techs and he basically told me that 105 with the 207 hardner is just as hard as the 205 and 206 hardner. In fact its harder than both 205 and 206 after a 2 week cureing period. The reason that most people dont use it is because it costs quite abit more.. I also posted a link to the typical-physical-properties page from there West Systems site..

http://www.westsystem.com/ss/typical-physical-properties/

Aren't they great. You give them a call and they will go out of their way to answer your questions. Not just to promote their product but to educate you so you can make your own informed choice based on your own needs. I don't know if he mentioned it but fillers is the biggest secret of using epoxy. Epoxy bridges the gap and fills voids and the use of the right filler can multiply the strength. Epoxy by it'self is only so strong no matter what brand you use but add the right filler and you really have something. People use epoxies for years and if you mention fillers don't even know what you are talking about. It is a whole science learning to use epoxy. There is a lot more to it then buying a couple tubes at home depot. That's fine for fixing grandma's picture frame but not building boats, bows, tennis rackets, golf clubs, cues and so on.
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/siteMap.do?action=map2&catId=210

 

[Canadian cue]

207

I like using the 207 as a base before clear but have one reservation. The 207 has an ambre to it. The 105 is clear so I was thinking about trying it instead for the base. I spoke to the guys at West about the 207 and mentioned my problem with it and they said they were working on a formula with out the ambre tint. This was some time ago so I hope they get it to the market soon.

 

[masonh]

it's already out Canadian Cue.i saw it in the boat store last week.

i haven't tried any b/c the amber works fine for me,i sand it all off anyway before i paint.

 

[conetip]

207 has a uv filter in it but they recomend using a UV filter topcoat varnish.

West is very good at educating it's users.It also then retains a higher market share as they tell their friends the good news and how helpfull they are and to try West products.
I used to use a resin that had a really good UV filter in the resin and did not need another protective coat. The down side is that it required post cure heat treatment which is not good for wood,great for Carbon and Aramid Fibre though-which is it's intended use.
I do not use enough to buy it these days as their min order for resin and hardner is 200 litre drums.
Make sure when using epoxies that you are using epoxy based fillers. poly ester and other fillers have sizing or other treatments that inhibit the epoxy from properly bonding with fillers.
West system fillers are all for epoxies,so can't go wrong there with west resins.
There is a ton of info on the net about epoxies etc. It pays to do your own research to find out what you need for your application.consider the tempreture range you are using the product for is also important.
I am old school ,and weigh my resin and hardner mixes,even with quite small amounts-works very well.
Some use just the pumps and that works fine for larger amounts of epoxies, or they use a harder and a resin syringe for the volume way of mixing.