What cue is this? Palmer? Paradise? Rocky?

MasterClass said:
Would anyone have any idea?

http://cgi.ebay.com/1960S-VINTAGE-B...ryZ21212QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I dun have the answer but i sure am curious.


I think it's a custom conversion, unknown maker, late 1960's or early 1970's, possibly East Coast. It's also possible it was a cue that was heavily re-worked.

The plastics in the butt (and possibly the joint collars) look like the kind Palmer was using during the later 1960's to early 1970's, same with the joint parts, collar and screw, but it's not a Palmer unless it's a highly modified one. The silver rings being centered up on the plastic joint collars should be identifiable to someone.

Looking at the design of the cue, I believe it originally had a wrap but it was removed and turned down. The aesthetics don't look right to me otherwise.

Chris
 
B-what

It's one Balabushka lookin cue! And that is funny to me because they were called professional cues.
Bumper is wrong, Butt tapper looks wrong but the buttsleve is screaming at me. If it is anything uncollectable I will be suprised.
I may have to bid!
Thanks
Nick :)
 
the thing that stands out to me is the centered rings. odd, unless it was ordered like that.

i agree with tate. cumstom unknown
 
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Well I paid 1500 for a titlist Gus off the internet AND 2k for the nicest ebony/ebony Frank Paradise diamond king ever seen on ebay. Never count your chickens before they get laid.. or something like that...

JV
 
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Now for the kicker... and an ebay/paypal lesson

.. I won the cue. I received the cue and the case. I inspected the cue and determined that the cue was made by someone with intimate knowledge of cuemaking of that period. This cue was seen by a few people and we all agreed that the maker of this cue could be one of a few people. The butt plate and ring section are identical in length to my Szamboti. The joint screw assembly however is close but not the same. The ring in the center of the joint phenolic is weird. All the materials are period. There are things that I wont divulge that are really close to the big two in cue making. But in the end, I think either it could be a Frye, could be a Szamboti, but I don't think so. I would wager Frye. The cue was bought out of Philly.

All this being said, there was a problem with the cue. Here is where it gets good. You can read the auction claiming it is straight and perfect. Well let me tell you, straight must be a real relative term in Philly. It was warped and out of center. Anyways I contacted the seller once we rolled the cue. I left 3 voice mails, 3 e-mails, no return contact. I had to file the listed paypal buyer protection clause. Anyways it took a while, took some e-mails, photos, a letter from Paul Rubino, and I finally got my money back.
But this guy obviously was a yard saler and probably got this cue from a yard sale. Its a shame I couldn't get him to respond, I felt the cue was worth 500 or so as is. I would have offered a partial. But the guy was a real a$$ about the whole thing. He has 100% feedback and instead of doing the right thing initially, he now has 99.8 or whatever. But be very careful with auctions because you're going to fight like hell to get it resolved. Anyway lesson learned... If you see it back on e-bay.. good luck.

JV
 
classiccues said:
.. I won the cue. I received the cue and the case. I inspected the cue and determined that the cue was made by someone with intimate knowledge of cuemaking of that period. This cue was seen by a few people and we all agreed that the maker of this cue could be one of a few people. The butt plate and ring section are identical in length to my Szamboti. The joint screw assembly however is close but not the same. The ring in the center of the joint phenolic is weird. All the materials are period. There are things that I wont divulge that are really close to the big two in cue making. But in the end, I think either it could be a Frye, could be a Szamboti, but I don't think so. I would wager Frye. The cue was bought out of Philly.

All this being said, there was a problem with the cue. Here is where it gets good. You can read the auction claiming it is straight and perfect. Well let me tell you, straight must be a real relative term in Philly. It was warped and out of center. Anyways I contacted the seller once we rolled the cue. I left 3 voice mails, 3 e-mails, no return contact. I had to file the listed paypal buyer protection clause. Anyways it took a while, took some e-mails, photos, a letter from Paul Rubino, and I finally got my money back.
But this guy obviously was a yard saler and probably got this cue from a yard sale. Its a shame I couldn't get him to respond, I felt the cue was worth 500 or so as is. I would have offered a partial. But the guy was a real a$$ about the whole thing. He has 100% feedback and instead of doing the right thing initially, he now has 99.8 or whatever. But be very careful with auctions because you're going to fight like hell to get it resolved. Anyway lesson learned... If you see it back on e-bay.. good luck.

JV

Thanks for the warning. It's nice to know you can get you're money back in some cases. Many of these sellers have no idea what "straight" is. I've had a couple of real junkers myself lately.

Chris
 
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