What is the best rack?

Nostroke

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I've been thinking about buying a good rack. Tonite i played in a so called upscale room but the rack couldnt even freeze the balls. I think im gonna carry my own rack.

What is the best normal un sardo type rack that would last at least 6 months in the trunk of a car?
 
Nostroke said:
I've been thinking about buying a good rack. Tonite i played in a so called upscale room but the rack couldnt even freeze the balls. I think im gonna carry my own rack.

What is the best normal un sardo type rack that would last at least 6 months in the trunk of a car?
Nostroke, I've heard a lot of good things about the racks made by Diamond, but I haven't had the opportunity to try them. Many people consider them to be the best.

At home, I have a rack that is very good, but it is not a brand name, that I know of. A number of years ago, I purchased it from Mueller's. It is all oak and does the job well.

I think all of the racks are made to certain tolerances and you have to be lucky to get one that is just right.
 
Nostroke said:
I've been thinking about buying a good rack. Tonite i played in a so called upscale room but the rack couldnt even freeze the balls. I think im gonna carry my own rack.

What is the best normal un sardo type rack that would last at least 6 months in the trunk of a car?

Take a look at the roll-a-rack.
 
If you goto Brunswicks web page, on billiards, they have plenty of different types of racks to choose from. And like Cat said, check out the roll-a-rack it looks like the best buy from all of the choices.


dave
 
Rich R. is right about the diamond racks. They are easily the best racks I have used.

kollegedave

Rich R. said:
Nostroke, I've heard a lot of good things about the racks made by Diamond, but I haven't had the opportunity to try them. Many people consider them to be the best.
 
kollegedave said:
Rich R. is right about the diamond racks. They are easily the best racks I have used.

kollegedave

Rich R. said:
Nostroke, I've heard a lot of good things about the racks made by Diamond, but I haven't had the opportunity to try them. Many people consider them to be the best.

Dave, I'm sorry, but could you try to stay on topic here!
 
With a new set of Super Aramith Pro balls...

An old cheap plastic rack would rack differently for each corner used, none of which was a good frozen rack.

A brand new lesser expensive wood 15 ball rack would not rack properly. I had to sand a corner so the head ball could go forward a little more and then always rack with that fixed corner forward.

A brand new lesser expensive wood 9 ball rack would not rack properly. I had to sand a corner, and the sides in the 2nd row, then add masking tape further back to get it to rack properly and always rack with the fixed side facing forward.

I was told the more expensive "$30 and up" wood racks are best. If I buy another rack, I'm going to take my balls with me and try it first before buying. If buying over the internet, I'm going to call them and ask them to try the rack (all 3 corners) with a new set of Super Aramith Pro balls before shipping to me.
 
I'm planning on using the rack suggested by BazookaJoe and I'm also going to follow Billy_Bob's advice.

Billy_Bob said:
I'm going to take my balls with me and try it first before buying.
 
Nostroke said:
I've been thinking about buying a good rack. Tonite i played in a so called upscale room but the rack couldnt even freeze the balls. I think im gonna carry my own rack.

What is the best normal un sardo type rack that would last at least 6 months in the trunk of a car?


Just want to mention, the Sardo rack is a scam. In fact, it might just be the biggest scam in pool history.

There are a few reasons why you might not be getting a good rack at your poolroom and the rack isn't going to solve several of them. For starters, are the balls all the same size? I mean, we always assume that they are but the fact is, balls wear. If you throw a new nine-ball into a 10-year-old set, you'll NEVER get the balls to freeze. Centennials & Super Aramiths pride themselves on their consistency but really, all bets are off once you're looking at poolroom sets. Balls get mixed-up and replaced all the time and there's really nothing you can do about it.

The next thing to look at is the cloth. If it's even a few weeks old, it's going to have some wear to it and no place will be as worn as the rack-area. Try freezing the 1-ball to ANYTHING when the cloth at the spot has been worn away. It's downright impossible. Also, the table itself might not be perfect. You may have dents in the slate that are going to make balls roll off.


The bottom line is, before you go and buy yourself a rack, keep in mind that the rack is only one variable and a minor one at that. I would go so far as to say that there are four reasons why a table might not rack well and the actual rack ranks fourth on that list.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Just want to mention, the Sardo rack is a scam. In fact, it might just be the biggest scam in pool history.


Jude has just taken the odds on #1 spot to be the next one banned from the forum. This could fall under the category or libel...he's probably also being slanderous...and he's reducing Sardo's chances of earning a living within the pool industry. I didn't check the sponsors, but they might have been on the Viking list. Jude...it's been nice knowin' ya! (don't PM anyone)
 
drivermaker said:
Jude has just taken the odds on #1 spot to be the next one banned from the forum. This could fall under the category or libel...he's probably also being slanderous...and he's reducing Sardo's chances of earning a living within the pool industry. I didn't check the sponsors, but they might have been on the Viking list. Jude...it's been nice knowin' ya! (don't PM anyone)



It's only libel if it isn't true. Are you actually being serious? Are you defending Sardo because I'd love to hear this!
 
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Jude Rosenstock said:
It's only libel if it isn't true.


That was also said by Teacherman and it didn't work. So, in other words, you are admitting to the fact that you could be hurting their opportunity to make a living in the pool world though, correct? If Sardo sales suddenly start dropping, it can be directly attributed to your post.
 
Nostroke said:
I've been thinking about buying a good rack. Tonite i played in a so called upscale room but the rack couldnt even freeze the balls. I think im gonna carry my own rack.

What is the best normal un sardo type rack that would last at least 6 months in the trunk of a car?

Nostroke,

Are you sure it's the rack? Not a mismatched set of balls or old worn balls?

Barbara
 
drivermaker said:
That was also said by Teacherman and it didn't work. So, in other words, you are admitting to the fact that you could be hurting their opportunity to make a living in the pool world though, correct? If Sardo sales suddenly start dropping, it can be directly attributed to your post.


Whenever someone puts a product out there, they are subject to review. There's nothing wrong with that. If I get banned from this site because I expressed my opinion about a product, so be it but I will not shape my opinions in fear of such a threat.

The fact is, there are thousands of products for sale in the billiard industry and I have been happy to award my praise when due. With that said, I feel it is also my right to give criticism of a product when it does not perform as advertised. As for the words "libel" and "slander", it would be impossible to suggest simply because it would have to be false. Review of a product simply doesn't fall under such catagories. If that were the case, The Better Business Bureau and Consumer Reports wouldn't exist.

I feel the purpose of this forum is to offer advice regarding the game of billiards from all aspects, including products. As a result, this will inevitably lead to negative reviews. Can this thread lead to the demise of Sardo? As big as my ego may be at times, I'm sorry sir. I'm not about to believe that this thread could cause such damage, especially when you consider that criticism of Sardo has already been given by those with bigger voices and in larger forums.

Regarding Sardo's "opportunity to make a living", he has every right to so long as this right doesn't infringe on the right of others to not waste their money. This is a capitalist society we live in and nobody has a right to sell products that are beyond review or criticism. In fact, the very basis of capitalism is founded on the better mouse trap. Make a better product and it will do well. Make a poor product and it will get canned.

Well, I feel Sardo's product is a waste of money. Currently, the Sardo rack retails at $170. This makes it about 20 times more than the standard triangle. Witnessing the necessary "training" of tables in order to get the Sardo rack to work, I was appalled by the damage done to the cloth and slate. "Training" consists of creating indentations in the rack area that are so deep, I was able to rack the balls with my hands. In fact, you'll even see some professional players racking with their hands in tournaments that have "trained" tables.

Once this damage is done, the rack area is a pitted field that will be the source of strange rolls for the life of the cloth and possibly, the life of the table. I don't offer this criticism because I'm "shooting from the hip". I know what this product is about. I've seen it. I've used it.

Now, there are reasons behind the popularity of Sardo and unfortunately, it's become a big back-scratching sessions and nothing more. The professional tour is always desperate for sponsors and Sardo's product simply wouldn't sell without proper exposure. It is politics and money that have put televised pool and Sardo in bed together and just because they're fine with the arrangement, doesn't mean it needs my approval.


I believe that so long as I have a legitimate argument and I approach it respectfully and politely, I should be allowed to say as I choose. The only thing in this thread that could be labeled as libel or slander is your suggestion that I might get banned (unless, of course, Mike makes it so).
 
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