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I have heard of the milkdud tip. I have also heard of soaking an elkmaster tip in pickle juice. I like a real soft hit in a cue and need to find the best way to get it. Any info?
No need it doing all that. If you just install the ElkM like a Sniper...with water & razor...then burnish with a friction polish....it won't mushroom very much if any at all. But then it also will not have a soft as possible hit.cuetique said:I don't hear him complaining about mushrooming
Varney - You working for Tiger I like their tips also, but never tried the soft, might give it a go...What is the Tiger install method?Varney Cues said:I just installed a new SOFT Tiger on my spare shaft. Being very careful not to stress any layers & using the Sniper install method. It DEFINATELY HITS SOFTER than an Elkmaster. I hit balls for almost an hour...no sign of mushrooming yet. This has to be the softest hitting tip available.
Damn well think Tony ought to send me a few free boxes!!!billiardbum said:Varney - You working for Tiger I like their tips also, but never tried the soft, might give it a go...What is the Tiger install method?
I'd like to know the Tiger sniper tip installation method also. I wonder if Tony or someone like yourself would take the time to explain it on AZ instead of a bunch of us calling and taking up their time asking them to explain it on the phone. I install tips for myself and my friends and I always like to learn something new like this installation method when I get a chance.Varney Cues said:Damn well think Tony ought to send me a few free boxes!!!
Yes...I admit...I too had never given any attention to the soft Tiger.
Love the rest of the tip line as everyone knows.
Earlier in my career I had tried to install a few soft Tigers and when cutting them down I used my lathe tool. This simply stresses the layers and the tip becomes ruined. I tried several and all mushroomed and hit poorly...so I dismissed the tip. Same issue I had when I first tried Snipers. Then Tony taught me the correct procedure using water & a razor. (Call Tiger, they'll walk you through it.) This makes the cleanest cut with zero leather stress. So suddenly now...I go back to the soft...and install with the Sniper method...WOW!!!
I may like this tip better than the Sniper. I now have several hours on two different soft Tigers...and they look the same as when I put them on. I don't know if they will keep shape as well as the Sniper in the long run...but right now...yes. And I love the "hit".
As Larry mentioned originally in this post...he likes a soft hitting cue...well the Tiger soft is definately the softest tip available. When installed correctly it may very well be the ideal tip for those wanting a soft hit. Time will tell as I get more hours on the tips. I pretty much use Tony's method on all tips now. It also makes an ElkMaster a totally different tip (much firmer) than when cut down with a carbide tool.
On a side note...I just was talking with Corey about the Soft Tiger...and he said he didn't know anyone who used them for pool...they were more of a billiard tip.
I will say I'm hitting the balls better this morning with my soft Tiger...than I was yesterday.
Thanks for the information on trimming a sniper tip. It sounds simple enough, but i'll be careful on the first couple I install/trim until I get the feel of it. I've been using my carbide cutting tool to trim tips, but I have used a razor blade to trim a few tips in the past.CrownCityCorey said:There is useful info here http://www.tigerproducts.com/faq.htm on the tip install.
Basically, the use of water acts as a lubricant when cutting. Otherwise the blade will get stuck, you push it and the tip rips.
The use of water and a sharp blade will leave you worry free. If you are using razor blades use a new one, or if you have one of our leather cutting blades, just make sure to sharpen it after every few tips.
For the larger production outfits, we just finished a prototype router set up that we will unveil at the Valley Forge Super Billiards Expo that trims & shapes the tip all at once and take under 30 seconds to do one, then set up another .
TellsItLikeItIs said:That's fine for the large manufacturer Corey, and I wish you the best.
Personally though, and speaking as a small business owner that chooses
not to jump through certain hoops to use a certain product, I will be
recommending something other than the Sniper.
I just have a difficult time understanding why the Sniper is manufactured
in such a way that it requires delicate treatment like this. Moori had this
same problem for a while, they corrected their deficiencies. What action has
Tiger taken to alleviate this?
TellsItLikeItIs said:Condescending, but oh well.
So rather than correct what may or could be a problem with the
adhesives or leather, or the manufacturing process, or at the very least
investigate those possibilities, you feel the best approach is to change
or "upgrade" techniques?
Sorry, but I just don't agree. Expecting repair persons/cuemakers to abandon
their proven techniques just to accomodate the sniper, I believe, is a bit
much. But then, I'm not a "larger production outfit" either.
http://lebowcustomcue.home.comcast.net/VIDEO.zipSheldon said:Really? I don't see it that way at all. The Sniper tips are what they are, and if the process was changed, so would the way they play. If you use a blade, they are very easy to trim and actually cut very nicely. If you can't be bothered to learn to cut soft tips with a blade, you will be limited to installing hard tips. Like others have said, the blade method is far superior to using your tool post, soft tip or not. If anyone needs to learn how, I made a video that shows the technique, it's been posted in this forum many times.