when do you know you're in a bad game
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Driller has roamed the earth since the dinosaurs. He doesn't play so good anymore but its still a rite of passage to beat him. Especially on 13. Walden barks at everyone so I wouldn't worry about that. Who was the other guy? Not a lot of folks that play good one hole around Chester's so its a pretty narrow field.
Did you lose to the Drill? If so they may have smelled blood in the water. There are a bunch of guys that hang out there just waiting to see if someone will bet.
Did you lose to the Drill? If so they may have smelled blood in the water. There are a bunch of guys that hang out there just waiting to see if someone will bet.
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To know if you are in a bad game like is the spot good or bad, requires you have to be able to accurately clock your opponent, then compare that with an honest assessment of your game. If you cant do that BEFORE the set starts, watching the set score is too late.
Chuck
Do I know you Sooner? What's your name? (send me a PM if you don't want to post it here)
I'm in Chester's pretty much every weekend. It hard for me to get out during the week.
I had never seen the stranger before and like I said I'm at Chester's just about every weekend.
Driller may not play like he did 25 years ago but he's still better than me. I don't know what an even game would be but I would need some weight.
We were not playing one pocket. Walden asked the stranger to play one pocket. We were playing 9 ball on table 13.
Steven
not to distract from the point of the thread but thats a pretty quick crowd you were standing in. I play with driller almost every sunday for a while. I too am a chesters weekender. What did the stranger look like and I might be able to tell you who he was?
Hi Drew. You still have that Richard Black? The stranger said his name was John and he just moved back to OKC from Reno. Said he had been living in Reno for about 15 years.
By the way Drew how do you play Driller?
yeah, the Black is still in the closet. You still have that CAM and McDaniel? I'd need a good chuck to play Drill, and I wouldn't play him on a 9 footer. I guessing I'd need like the last two or some games on the wire. He and I never really play cash, more for beers so it works out better for the two of us anyway.
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it's wrong to start a set for 5 bucks? why's that?
hahah i had the honor of playing bucky last week in columbus at the 8 ball sports bar in a weekly tournament .... and out of 100 people playing, i drew bucky in the 1st round
If your wallet can afford it, play him cheap. Take it as a free lesson. Hopefully you learn something from it.
I'm not communicating very well here, I guess. I did play the stranger. I had never seen him play before. In fact, I had never even seen him hold a cue. My question was not about whether I should play a stranger or a stronger player. Also, the question is not about what I should do when I think I'm in a bad game (quit or adjust). The question is also not about how much I should bet (what I'm comft with).
The question is: When or how do you know you're in a bad game?
Simple, watch the guy your playing very carefully and ask yourself this "On my worst day do I play better than he just did?" If you do then you are in a good spot, if it takes your best day to play his speed your probably not in a good spot. You have to be honest with your self.
I have made alot of bad games to learn what I just told you.
Simple, watch the guy your playing very carefully and ask yourself this "On my worst day do I play better than he just did?" If you do then you are in a good spot, if it takes your best day to play his speed your probably not in a good spot. You have to be honest with your self.
I have made alot of bad games to learn what I just told you.
Thanks for the input. I think this something I will have to work on. I have difficulty gauging someone's speed. Obviously I can tell when someone is a lot better than me or when I'm a lot better than the other person. But, what is the other person's true speed? Can I tell after one game? after one set? Does it take multiple sets? months?
Yeah you are and sorry didnt mean to go off on a diff direction just got caught up in the moment. Now ther is a diffrence between a bad game and being hustled.
A bad game if your playin atleast close to as good as you can and your not gettin there.
Hustled,your playing your best and almost gettin there every set.
I havent seen him in years and I know hes gettin up there in years but on a bar box you didnt exactly get a bye did ya!
I would say 3 or 4 sessions, you might be flat one day, playing over your head another. Same for the other guy. Its playing on different days that matters to get a read, 10 sets on the same day wont give you a read b/c you might be playing great all day and he isnt or the other way. I'd say 5 different days over a 2 week period would give you a accurate read on the difference between your game and who your playing.
I'd like to hear Chris bartrums opinion on this.
This is what I'm talking about. Thanks for the input.
So, again the senario: two old time hustlers (one who has not been around in a long time) and a stranger that both old hustlers know, wants to play you. A thin line between a bad game and being hustled based on your defination above.
How do you tell the difference?
I don't mind being in a bad game as long as its cheap. The bad game (based on your defination above) is pushing me to get better. But, I'm not sure getting hustled (based on your defination above) is good for me. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there is no difference. Maybe either way my game is being pushed. Maybe I just don't like people who never match up with any serious players and set around waiting in the weeds (so to speak).
Steven
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master9baller
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Gauging the opponent
You are in a bad game when your opponent gets out from everywhere, kicks nearly every safe you play on the proper side of the ball and makes few if any unforced errors. If they do this effortlessly, you have a monster on your hands and will get burned. If you can't match their level of play it's always a bad game playing even.
I have no problem losing to a superior opponent. It's the sandbagging, sharking, slow paying and locksmithing that's the problem.
If you lost and know you didn't give this opponent your best game I would ask him to play again and try to beat him. Losing is bad for your ego and can have detrimental long term effects on your game. These guys never look as good when they are down in a set. Your perception of his game is what really matters here.
If you play your best and lose it shows heart. The experience of playing with heart and determination will carry you to victory in many battles. This is something that is earned. It's good to let people know that when you lose it only makes you stronger.
You are in a bad game when your opponent gets out from everywhere, kicks nearly every safe you play on the proper side of the ball and makes few if any unforced errors. If they do this effortlessly, you have a monster on your hands and will get burned. If you can't match their level of play it's always a bad game playing even.
I have no problem losing to a superior opponent. It's the sandbagging, sharking, slow paying and locksmithing that's the problem.
If you lost and know you didn't give this opponent your best game I would ask him to play again and try to beat him. Losing is bad for your ego and can have detrimental long term effects on your game. These guys never look as good when they are down in a set. Your perception of his game is what really matters here.
If you play your best and lose it shows heart. The experience of playing with heart and determination will carry you to victory in many battles. This is something that is earned. It's good to let people know that when you lose it only makes you stronger.
fat boy think you are right on here.
if someone beats you 5 diff days thats enough
to say uncle.
bel me i take the 5 plays a lot before i say uncle.
if someone beats you once or twice to me
it doesent mean your in a bad game yet.