Who Needs Casinos and Large Venues?

[Johnnyt]

It looks like holding tournaments in casinos, large hotels, and other large venues is not needed. Since promoters say there is not much to any live gate anyway...why have them there? The players don't make anymore money playing in tournaments at casinos than they do at these new type of high entry fee, player auctions, Fight Nights, held in the nice larger sportbars. Pro/open is a very small part or our game/sport and all corners need to be cut to get it back on it's feet, just like you would do with any other business that needs the bleeding stopped.

Just crunching the #'s in my head it looks like U.S pool purses will be higher this year than last year, and will continue to grow W/O the casinos. I think the DCC and Turning Stone are the only two I see needing a big venue. 4 to 7 day tournaments are a thing of the past for a lot of reasons. As far as the need to be sanctioned...WHY?...For SVB and less than a half dozen more U.S players. I know there are a dozen more nice sport bars around that could put these type tournaments on.

 

[Mike Chandley]

I'm opening a large tournament room. Watch for big events coming from us soon.
We are not a sports bar...we are a new concept...Tournament room.

 

[wahcheck]

Added money?

I thought casinos wanted to have the tournaments for the obvious reason of drawing people in to gamble. Seems they also often add money to the prize pool. I live on the West Coast, so I am thinking about the old annual tournaments at the Sands in Reno, Nevada.

 

[Nostroke]

I'm opening a large tournament room. Watch for big events coming from us soon.
We are not a sports bar...we are a new concept...Tournament room.

New concept or a long abandoned one?

 

[Str8PoolPlayer]

I really miss the Tournaments at Sands Regency Reno.
Room rates were very reasonable, Food was Good, and
the Gaming was on the loose side (somtimes).

 

[Masayoshi]

I really miss the Tournaments at Sands Regency Reno.
Room rates were very reasonable, Food was Good, and
the Gaming was on the loose side (somtimes).

I was fortunate enough to play in the final one. It was a great event, one of my favorite experiences playing in a pool tournament.

 

[Str8PoolPlayer]

I was fortunate enough to play in the final one. It was a great event, one of my favorite experiences playing in a pool tournament.

Were you able to attend the IPT Finals at Grand Sierra in Reno ?
Although KT was/is a douche bag, that event was Total Class.
We need more Casino/Resort venue type events. Everyone I
know in the Pool World really enjoys that "atmosphere" for a
First Class Tournament. Can we ever expect to see that kind of
excitement again ? Only if there are Sponsors with deep pockets
and TD's with impeccable integrity and skill.

 

[zensartre]

adequate, fitting venue

You see how snooker is presented. Pool used to be, similarly. What we have now is like cock fighting in Newport, Tn. or pit-bulls. I have been twice to see 14.1 Dragon in Queens, N.Y.: @ Carom Cafe and Steinway. One can only see part of the action, and rubber-necking at that. Not to mention having to rely on a "white knight" like Dr. Fedak (thank you) and others to sponsor the event at all. Their efforts are admirable, as are Charlie's, but they are not appropriate to that to which we all have devoted a major part of our lives. New Brunswick , N.J. in 2011 was the last civilized event that I know of. I have been wrong many times in my life, and if I am so here, fine. What do I know. Bernard

 

[Masayoshi]

Were you able to attend the IPT Finals at Grand Sierra in Reno ?
Although KT was/is a douche bag, that event was Total Class.
We need more Casino/Resort venue type events. Everyone I
know in the Pool World really enjoys that "atmosphere" for a
First Class Tournament. Can we ever expect to see that kind of
excitement again ? Only if there are Sponsors with deep pockets
and TD's with impeccable integrity and skill.

Unfortunately, I wasn't, but it sounds like it was a great event.

 

[ktrepal85]

It looks like holding tournaments in casinos, large hotels, and other large venues is not needed. Since promoters say there is not much to any live gate anyway...why have them there? The players don't make anymore money playing in tournaments at casinos than they do at these new type of high entry fee, player auctions, Fight Nights, held in the nice larger sportbars. Pro/open is a very small part or our game/sport and all corners need to be cut to get it back on it's feet, just like you would do with any other business that needs the bleeding stopped.

Just crunching the #'s in my head it looks like U.S pool purses will be higher this year than last year, and will continue to grow W/O the casinos. I think the DCC and Turning Stone are the only two I see needing a big venue. 4 to 7 day tournaments are a thing of the past for a lot of reasons. As far as the need to be sanctioned...WHY?...For SVB and less than a half dozen more U.S players. I know there are a dozen more nice sport bars around that could put these type tournaments on.

You've already started this thread 2 months ago: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=397230

 

[JCIN]

What pro event besides the US Open is held as a stand alone event in a hotel or casino? CSI events are done at the Rio because the amateurs are already there, no nationals no pro events. I would argue the Derby is its own animal more than a pro event. The dead money sells out the hotel. Turning Stone is a tournament with some pro's in it. USBTC is the same way. Amateurs/shortstops pay the bills.

Outside of the Open there hasn't been majority pro stand alone events in casino's/hotels for a minute. The only stand alone event I can think of that is pro only in a casino is the Mosconi Cup every other year in Vegas.

Pro pool in the U.S. is going to live in the pool rooms or tagged on to bigger events for the foreseeable future.