Why do so many people here feel ENTITLED to know everything about Bonus Ball?

[Fatboy]

I been reading these threads, the knocks, digs, complaints, the off the cuff snide remarks are really getting on my nerves. Really are.


IT AINT ANYONES BUSINESS PERIOD WHAT BONUS BALL IS DOING, HOW MUCH $$$ THEY HAVE OR DONT HAVE. IT AINT ANYONES BUSINESS IF THEIR MARKETING IS GOOD OR BAD OR NON-EXISTANT. WHAT THEIR FUTURE PLANS ARE OR ARE NOT. WEATHER ITS REAL OF FAKE. ITS NOT YOU DAMNED BUSINESS PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!


unless you work for bonus ball or play for bonus ball, or invested time or $$$ in it, you GOT NOTHING COMING PERIOD.


Its sickening listinging to people i know like and am quickly losing respect for act like total jack-off's thinking they have some special entitlements because they play pool therefore are entitled to information. YOU NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING. myself included.

what a joke, you people are-and you know who you are-i said it I meant it. And if BB work or not BFD, really I only hope it does so my friends can make some $$$ and I can sweat some pool. thats it. nothing more nothing less. Are you people really that nosy? yup, worse than kids.


later

 

[lee brett]

I been reading these threads, the knocks, digs, complaints, the off the cuff snide remarks are really getting on my nerves. Really are.


IT AINT ANYONES BUSINESS PERIOD WHAT BONUS BALL IS DOING, HOW MUCH $$$ THEY HAVE OR DONT HAVE. IT AINT ANYONES BUSINESS IF THEIR MARKETING IS GOOD OR BAD OR NON-EXISTANT. WHAT THEIR FUTURE PLANS ARE OR ARE NOT. WEATHER ITS REAL OF FAKE. ITS NOT YOU DAMNED BUSINESS PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!


unless you work for bonus ball or play for bonus ball, or invested time or $$$ in it, you GOT NOTHING COMING PERIOD.


Its sickening listinging to people i know like and am quickly losing respect for act like total jack-off's thinking they have some special entitlements because they play pool therefore are entitled to information. YOU NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING. myself included.

what a joke, you people are-and you know who you are-i said it I meant it. And if BB work or not BFD, really I only hope it does so my friends can make some $$$ and I can sweat some pool. thats it. nothing more nothing less. Are you people really that nosy? yup, worse than kids.


later

Well said Eric.

 

[APA BRIAN]

sweet post dude

 

[Diamond69]

Opinionated, interested, not entitled

Fatboy,
Here is how I sum up my thoughts on BB based on the threads.

1. Business plan. You are 100% correct, BB does not need to provide details of their business plan to anyone except employees (players, staff, etc). And don't even need to provide all of it to them other than what they should expect to be paid.

2. Marketing plan. This seems to fall more under interest than entitlement. And I've seen many posts with good ideas about the marketing plan. The more you get BB out there, whether it be at high profile tourneys or other, gets jerseys and other stuff selling. Gets people excited and gives knowledge about the new product.

3. Schedule. This is unfortunate, and seems to have started all the discussions based on a well respected poster (Jay's) thread. I'm certain BB did not target these tourneys to step on, it's more due to the 8 month construction delay. That being said, I don't think all involved got together and looked at any and all alternatives. I'm sure it's too late at this point to do anything but wait and see how it goes.

4. Target market. I've seen Nathan respond to many posts saying in effect that pool players are not the target market. Yet hasn't said who is. With a new product involving pool, ALL pool players should be the target market. Maybe not the main revenue source, but certainly part of the target market. If they (and I hate to just mention Nathan, but he seems to be the only one to come on and defend BB) have a target market of overseas due to more popularity on TV, there should be no shame or fear of stating that.

5. Success for pool. I'm in the "can't we all just get along" camp. I love for pool to grow as a fan. Nothing in it for me other than I love the sport and want to see it succeed on the professional stage. There have been missteps and the next few months are going to anger people. But the question remains whether all involved can get past season one and start to promote and support each other so BB and the main tournaments can grow and thrive in the future.

I think we are all hoping for #5 to come true.

 

[bankoutallday]

I don't understand

Anybody with a million dollars could outright own pro pool if they wanted. No studio required, no need to invent a game even 1% of players will ever learn.

Simple just post $100,000 per event and make pro players sign contracts to play in x number of events. Make a deal with an independent casino for a cut of room, gambling and food expenses for all players, have them use a "players" type card to track all purchases. Stream the event with a videographer under contract for a percentage. After having a sustainable product with the best players in the world tripping over themselves to play, solicit advertisers outside of billiards.

There may be holes in my plan, but it has an infinitely greater chance of suceeding the bonus ball. The game will be mastered by those paid to play it. Does it leave a window for shortstops and advanced amateurs to compete? I will play the best in the world 8 ball or 9 ball and take my lumps. Playing a game I have no idea of strategy? No way.

 

[Diamond69]

Missed one...the game

One other question. Doesn't need to be answered as I am not entitled, but am interested....Why the new game with new equipment?

Nathan posted on Jay's thread about the work his team has done with code and gave a peek into all the stats, graphics, and a few other things. Sounds like this is going to be some fun stuff as I'm kind of a stats geek.

I love the team concept (think success of Mosconi Cup) and wonder why BB didn't just take that type of format into their new venture with existing games everyone understands already. Will it be the game that succeeds? Or will it be the format with all of Nathan's production toys?

 

[justadub]

One other question. Doesn't need to be answered as I am not entitled, but am interested....Why the new game with new equipment?

Nathan posted on Jay's thread about the work his team has done with code and gave a peek into all the stats, graphics, and a few other things. Sounds like this is going to be some fun stuff as I'm kind of a stats geek.

I love the team concept (think success of Mosconi Cup) and wonder why BB didn't just take that type of format into their new venture with existing games everyone understands already. Will it be the game that succeeds? Or will it be the format with all of Nathan's production toys?

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Diamond69 again.

 

[Fatboy]

Anybody with a million dollars could outright own pro pool if they wanted. No studio required, no need to invent a game even 1% of players will ever learn.

Simple just post $100,000 per event and make pro players sign contracts to play in x number of events. Make a deal with an independent casino for a cut of room, gambling and food expenses for all players, have them use a "players" type card to track all purchases. Stream the event with a videographer under contract for a percentage. After having a sustainable product with the best players in the world tripping over themselves to play, solicit advertisers outside of billiards.

There may be holes in my plan, but it has an infinitely greater chance of suceeding the bonus ball. The game will be mastered by those paid to play it. Does it leave a window for shortstops and advanced amateurs to compete? I will play the best in the world 8 ball or 9 ball and take my lumps. Playing a game I have no idea of strategy? No way.

i got many millions and wouldnt touch it.

 

[corvette1340]

What is this "bonus ball" you speak of?

 

[Pre-Flag Master]

Whether Bonus Ball will succeed or not is debatable. If it did not succeed with the only people having something to lose being the owners/investors of BB, then fine.

Problem is that the way they are going about things, everyone is concerned that if they fail, it will do a lot of damage to the pool industry in general - that it would leave some voids and damage to other entities in its wake. This is why everyone's shorts are in a bind and people start asking nosey questions that they normally might not.

Apologies if I am stating the obvious.

Fatz

 

[Fatboy]

Whether Bonus Ball will succeed or not is debatable. If it did not succeed with the only people having something to lose being the owners/investors of BB, then fine.

Problem is that the way they are going about things, everyone is concerned that if they fail, it will do a lot of damage to the pool industry in general - that it would leave some voids and damage to other entities in its wake. This is why everyone's shorts are in a bind and people start asking nosey questions that they normally might not.

Apologies if I am stating the obvious.

Fatz

no, respectfully-your exaggerating the whole thing, thats the problem with the internet and too much talk in the dark about something.

want to really know what hammered pool? When i closed my biz in may 08, i was making $8,000,000/year before taxes-call it 5 after taxes, i was gearing up to make a move in pool, i had $100,000/week to play with. When my biz went down and the money stopped, i stopped. Nobody but a few people know this-that unknown thing right there had a bigger impact on pool than BB will-at least for a couple years, I had a car that cost more than the BB arena and that dont count the 7 lambos, 2 rolls etc. See you never hear the shoot that kills you, bullets travel faster than sound.....

if it fails the losers are the investors, will only effect a few players . aint going to effect much beyond that. like the price of tea in china-its not relevant to whats going on at your home or mine-unless we live in china, JB mite have a problem.:wink:

 

[Pre-Flag Master]

i got many millions and wouldnt touch it.

Fatboy, I don't know you at all really (you have green reped me a couple times). It is clearly stated here that you have a hefty bank roll, and you obviously love the game. So here's a question for you - not trying to suggest that you do anything - but just a question...

Why wouldn't a major investor want to inject a few million into pool over say five years to get some kind of pro pool tour kick-started? Granted it would eventually have to become self-sustaining. I would like to think that this would be possible, but that it would need a kick-start of large prize funds to get the ball rolling.

Fatz

 

[Fatboy]

Fatboy, I don't know you at all really (you have green reped me a couple times). It is clearly stated here that you have a hefty bank roll, and you obviously love the game. So here's a question for you - not trying to suggest that you do anything - but just a question...

Why wouldn't a major investor want to inject a few million into pool over say five years to get some kind of pro pool tour kick-started? Granted it would eventually have to become self-sustaining. I would like to think that this would be possible, but that it would need a kick-start of large prize funds to get the ball rolling.

Fatz

we posted at the same time, look above your post i just quoted.

BTW have always liked you and still do:smile:

 

[Pre-Flag Master]

no, respectfully-your exaggerating the whole thing, thats the problem with the internet and too much talk in the dark about something...

[snip]

...if it fails the losers are the investors, will only effect a few players . aint going to effect much beyond that. like the price of tea in china-its not relevant to whats going on at your home or mine-unless we live in china, JB mite have a problem.

Not *trying* to exaggerate anything, but my perception is that the general concern is that BB might leave damage in its wake. Otherwise I would agree with you. If people are getting their shorts in a bind over something that will have little impact if it does fail, then yes, no need to be so nosey and self-entitled.

Fatz

 

[Pre-Flag Master]

want to really know what hammered pool? When i closed my biz in may 08, i was making $8,000,000/year before taxes-call it 5 after taxes, i was gearing up to make a move in pool, i had $100,000/week to play with. When my biz went down and the money stopped, i stopped. Nobody but a few people know this-that unknown thing right there had a bigger impact on pool than BB will-at least for a couple years...

Your business had something to do with pool? Or you are saying you were about to invest in pool, then your income was reduced?

Fatz

 

[Kid Dynomite]

I been reading these threads, the knocks, digs, complaints, the off the cuff snide remarks are really getting on my nerves. Really are.


IT AINT ANYONES BUSINESS PERIOD WHAT BONUS BALL IS DOING, HOW MUCH $$$ THEY HAVE OR DONT HAVE. IT AINT ANYONES BUSINESS IF THEIR MARKETING IS GOOD OR BAD OR NON-EXISTANT. WHAT THEIR FUTURE PLANS ARE OR ARE NOT. WEATHER ITS REAL OF FAKE. ITS NOT YOU DAMNED BUSINESS PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!


unless you work for bonus ball or play for bonus ball, or invested time or $$$ in it, you GOT NOTHING COMING PERIOD.


Its sickening listinging to people i know like and am quickly losing respect for act like total jack-off's thinking they have some special entitlements because they play pool therefore are entitled to information. YOU NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING. myself included.

what a joke, you people are-and you know who you are-i said it I meant it. And if BB work or not BFD, really I only hope it does so my friends can make some $$$ and I can sweat some pool. thats it. nothing more nothing less. Are you people really that nosy? yup, worse than kids.


later

Fat man the thread and actions YOU condemn ain't all bad! If YOUR friends are able to attend bonus ball and the traditional tournaments THEN they can maximize the amount of money they make and your friends well beings are taken care of!!!

The problem is that it's a double edge sword and as people see the forest for the trees they are realizing that bonus ball could HARM your friends! So, yes people will be protective and ask "show me the money" like JCIN. People are going to ask "Ways they can help" this board is filled with business men with a ton of knowledge and expertise, yourself included! Why condemn them for making suggestions to improve the products???? Example: jbcases marketing suggestions!!!!

No one is sabotaging bonus ball at all!!!!!!!

Bonus ball is concerned about NEGATIVE publicity!!! The saying is any publicity is good publicity!!!!

What I find interesting is their inability to defend the decisions they made! They tend to not be logical. Example: no marketing! Excluding azb and league members as its target market! Double booking players tournament schedules! Etc!

I was about to put my keyboard down and wish bonus ball well! Then I saw this post and by the way! 5 of the 36 bonus ball players are life long friends of mine and as such, you will notice I lobbied HEAVILY for Their right to make additional money outside of bonus ball!!!!! Nice pun with the "worse than kids" comment!

Sincerely
Kd


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[Maxx]

Nice thought ... but this is a pool forum. If people don't get in everybody else's business there wouldn't be very many posts.

 

[Fatboy]

Fat Nice pun with the "worse than kids" comment!

Sincerely
Kd


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wasn't referring to you at all. sorry if you mistook it as such.

i just look at it like this, JCIN is my friend, and I have always been good to him and he to me. But at the end of the day-weather BB has the $$$ or not really dont matter or effect him. they boys will still show up and play, he has VOD which is great and he will have great events for a very long time-no matter what BB does.

it dont effect me,


it might effect something JCIN does down the road, or something i may or may not do. but until such time. its totally irrelevant and not my biz.

i would love to see the players make $$$, but looking at the whole picture, more people died in car bombings today and will tomaro than will ever play BB. Its not that bg of a deal. until your sitting on the bomb. and lots of people think they are-they are giving themselfs too much credit. they aint that important either.

thats why myspace and facebook work so well, people can make themselves self important and get their 15 minutes-in their own little world. I have never logged on to FB and never will. i dont count,

 

[Fatboy]

Nice thought ... but this is a pool forum. If people don't get in everybody else's business there wouldn't be very many posts.

sure there would be, look at the Cole Dixon thread thats 6 -7 years old, thats a good thread and example of a good pool forum. this nit shit up everyones ass-is bullshit. we got great new software thats being abused with bad threads

 

[Fatboy]

Your business had something to do with pool? Or you are saying you were about to invest in pool, then your income was reduced?

Fatz

thats correct, i went form that to -7 figures a year, dont worry i'm ok, but can't do what i could have had i kept in action like i was.