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[Goldy]

Nobody is making enough money to pay the pool players anything. Ask the streamers on this site. If the players demand money no big deal. They won't get uploaded...problem solved

You're right! All the money being made is by the vehicle for the exposure. Which in the "internet" world should be done privately with their own infrastructure. And this is a huge point of the post, is trading the value and exposure of the players and sport, for the vehicle to reach the public. But sadly, a private site can work just as well as youtube.

 

[Goldy]

How much have you paid pool players in 2015? Who got paid?

I paid Chris Bartram and Dee Adkins in 2014 $500 each for a PPV event to name 1 of several. And this was just about out of pocket, because our new PPV streaming platform is just taking notice to the public. We now have 10 sites working together on this project.

I paid Rodney Morris and Dee Adkins a piece of their exhibition match as well in 2014.

 

[craZyErica]

Well, at least the OP is living up to her nickname...


Eric

crazy yes...

but i work in marketing i aknowledge that there is potential for a lot of money to be made for these players who i care greatly for . Pool is my favorite sport in the world, i just wish it was yours as well

 

[JoeyM]

Hmmmm.

I've been producing live broadcasts on the internet since 2010.

To throw away the value of the content and the talent/art of a player to get exposure for the player/producer is unethical.

Funny how this was supposed to be how to get the players more money, but it appears now producers want a cut too.

Goldy in for the cash grab.

 

[Goldy]

all im saying is why give the content (talent) to youtube ....
the people making the money forget to compensate the players
not one of them has ever gotten any money for their talent on youtube
when i know it has been distributed to the poster

Sadly Erica, there's not enough money that YouTube could pay that would be worth extending to the player, and that is another downside to YouTube. They pay PENNIES. Not DOLLARS.

 

[lost]

Point is that if it wasn't on youtube nobody would see it anyhow.....the only reason the vids get views is because of youtube. Put it somewhere else and it will drop 99.9% in a sudden hurry. How are you going to monetize that?

that is exactly my point!

it has been set up

and it is a work in progress

im not asking anyone to boycott anything

but the players should know their rights...

for anyone to make money off someone else and not pay them their due is morally and ethically wrong... big truck and accustat have both compensated players i have seen it first hand they work very hard .

what im saying is that there is a platform directed at pool that they could share their content and all the parties involved would make money

the platform is there
there is no other approach

all im saying is why give the content (talent) to youtube ....
the people making the money forget to compensate the players
not one of them has ever gotten any money for their talent on youtube
when i know it has been distributed to the poster

 

[Goldy]

Hmmmm.

Funny how this was supposed to be how to get the players more money, but it appears now producers want a cut too.

Goldy in for the cash grab.

Huh? Whats the difference? You'd rather give YouTube the Cash Grab? How about someone in the industry, or a group of people in the industry that have the players interests in mind? Does YouTube had the best interest of our industry in mind? Are they running only Billiard Commercials on all the billiard videos? NO.. How could you say that man? That is disrespectful!

 

[pt109]

Hmmmm.

I've been producing live broadcasts on the internet since 2010.

To throw away the value of the content and the talent/art of a player to get exposure for the player/producer is unethical.

Funny how this was supposed to be how to get the players more money, but it appears now producers want a cut too.

Goldy in for the cash grab.

Link, please....I'm interested.

 

[Alex Kanapilly]

I think I see what's going on here. The OP is going to or already has created a pool centric web site and wants the pool watching public to watch on that site so that players (and presumably owners of the site) can profit.

I think this is the kind of thinking that has held pool back all these years. We can't be myopic about this. If this were to happen, then you'd get a few dozen, maybe a few hundred people watching videos on a pay site, that's it. The general public will never see any pool videos and pool will shrink further into obscurity, if that's even possible.

The only way to make pool more popular is to let people who have the slightest curiosity view videos for free, on youtube where there ARE a lot of people. Yes, players aren't getting paid, but how much do you expect to generate on a pool only site anyway?

Eventually, if pool grows because the general public gains interest, everyone involved in the game will profit.

If I'm wrong about your motives, I apologize. I just think the way to grow pool (I understand that's not your stated point) is to bring it to the masses, a new movie about pool would be great.

 

[JoeyM]

Huh? Whats the difference? You'd rather give YouTube as the Cash Grab, or someone in the industry, or a group of people in the industry that have the players interests in mind? Does YouTube had the best interest of our industry in mind? Are they running only Billiard Commercials on all the billiard videos? NO.. How could you say that man? That is disrespectful!

What's disrespectful is you trying to claim you care about the pool players and how much you want them to make money, but you really want to make the money for yourself.

 

[JoeyM]

Link, please....I'm interested.

Those were Goldy quotes from earlier in the thread.

 

[craZyErica]

What's disrespectful is you trying to claim you care about the pool players and how much you want them to make money, but you really want to make the money for yourself.

was that directed to me?

i been going broke promoting pool for years and havent made a penny

i dont want a quarter .

i just love pool

 

[Goldy]

Point is that if it wasn't on youtube nobody would see it anyhow.....the only reason the vids get views is because of youtube. Put it somewhere else and it will drop 99.9% in a sudden hurry. How are you going to monetize that?

SIMPLE! Band together with a bunch of websites that share a same objective and share the same user base. Such as what currently happens online with Ustream. Everyone on Ustream has the same username and password to watch live online. So to simply MOVE FORWARD, with a private platform for billiards, is to create it. It has been created. Here is a list of the websites that currently are a part of this movement.

www.crazyerica.com
www.onsitepool.tv
www.spacecityopen.com
www.thetornadoopen.com
www.gulfcoastwomenstour.com <under custruction>
www.pistolperez.com
www.snapregionaltour.ca <under construction>
www.feltcam.com <DIY HD Video Streaming from your pool room>

 

[lost]

Huh? Whats the difference? You'd rather give YouTube the Cash Grab? How about someone in the industry, or a group of people in the industry that have the players interests in mind? Does YouTube had the best interest of our industry in mind? Are they running only Billiard Commercials on all the billiard videos? NO.. How could you say that man? That is disrespectful!

What makes pool a special case on youtube? Seriously I don't get this at all. Thinking youtube is harming pool as a career choice is pretty out there.

 

[craZyErica]

I think I see what's going on here. The OP is going to or already has created a pool centric web site and wants the pool watching public to watch on that site so that players (and presumably owners of the site) can profit.

I think this is the kind of thinking that has held pool back all these years. We can't be myopic about this. If this were to happen, then you'd get a few dozen, maybe a few hundred people watching videos on a pay site, that's it. The general public will never see any pool videos and pool will shrink further into obscurity, if that's even possible.

The only way to make pool more popular is to let people who have the slightest curiosity view videos for free, on youtube where there ARE a lot of people. Yes, players aren't getting paid, but how much do you expect to generate on a pool only site anyway?

Eventually, if pool grows because the general public gains interest, everyone involved in the game will profit.



If I'm wrong about your motives, I apologize. I just think the way to grow pool (I understand that's not your stated point) is to bring it to the masses, a new movie about pool would be great.

i built a site that will spark interest in pool 100% of money made from any pay per view will go to the players sand i would give the players a copy of the analytics to prove it! noone else in the industry can say that.... my site is showing there is more to pool than just booring matches and that itself speaks to the masses . people want to have fun laugh and everyone is amazed when someone has a "talent"

 

[Goldy]

What's disrespectful is you trying to claim you care about the pool players and how much you want them to make money, but you really want to make the money for yourself.

Well DUH! We're going to make a little money yeah, because we've worked hard to privatize live billiard productions, Absolutely There's nothing ETHICALLY wrong with that. But would you agree that what is currently happening which is ZERO compensation for anyone? I mean, be realistic buddy. Wow. FREE DON'T PAY SO GOOD!, and that is the heartfelt puzzling scenario that our pool players are experiencing when all their hard work is out on the INTERNET FOR FREE!

 

[JoeyM]

was that directed to me?

i been going broke promoting pool for years and havent made a penny

i dont want a quarter .

i just love pool

Reread the post and the quoted post and you'll see.

 

[ElCorazonFrio]

Your title is stupid. Youtube is not ripping anyone off by having the matches posted.

Just as in most pool related endeavors, the players are much too ignorant of their rights to protect themselves.

Anyone who signs up for a tourney that has broadcast coverage should be made to sign a consent form allowing the use of their image. If they don't sign...they aren't allowed to play.

Here's where it gets tricky...if the player appears on a stream knowingly, he has arguably given consent to the use of his image. Let me repeat that: He has arguably GIVEN the rights to use his image.

I'm sure any of the big name pool players could try to get all of those millions their performances are making for youtube, but youtube simply takes the video down whenever there is any argument.

Are you dumb enough to really think that if there was real money to be made from the distribution of these videos that the people who own the rights to the videos would let them stay on youtube?

Long story short is that the players don't own the rights to the matches. If the players want to boycott the tourneys that are being recorded or streamed until they are paid for the use of their image/performance, they'll simply be killing their meager existence.

Go take a couple of university level courses. Or better yet, look up some videos of these sorts of things for free. I suggest using Youtube...and paying them for what you learn.

 

[Goldy]

Your title is stupid. Youtube is not ripping anyone off by having the matches posted.

Just as in most pool related endeavors, the players are much too ignorant of their rights to protect themselves.

Anyone who signs up for a tourney that has broadcast coverage should be made to sign a consent form allowing the use of their image. If they don't sign...they aren't allowed to play.

Here's where it gets tricky...if the player appears on a stream knowingly, he has arguably given consent to the use of his image. Let me repeat that: He has arguably GIVEN the rights to use his image.

I'm sure any of the big name pool players could try to get all of those millions their performances are making for youtube, but youtube simply takes the video down whenever there is any argument.

Are you dumb enough to really think that if there was real money to be made from the distribution of these videos that the people who own the rights to the videos would let them stay on youtube?

Long story short is that the players don't own the rights to the matches. If the players want to boycott the tourneys that are being recorded or streamed until they are paid for the use of their image/performance, they'll simply be killing their meager existence.

Go take a couple of university level courses. Or better yet, look up some videos of these sorts of things for free. I suggest using Youtube...and paying them for what you learn.

We don't need the legalities and legitimacy of what we need to move forward with privatized billiard productions. We are creating a vehicle in the exact pretext of YouTube except for billiards only. Your post, yet informative, falls short of the point. Be positive, and not negative. Do you have any positive pre-requisites regarding this great idea as you seem very well educated in the realm of derogatory sentiment.

 

[ElCorazonFrio]

Can you name a tournament where funds from any YouTube compensation or private PPV that have directly helped the prize pool of a tournament?



Business plan is already in place, and revenue is already being generated on several private platforms that exist today. We are just making the public aware of how detrimental financially by trading exposure for side revenue hurts the actual player in the video. To throw away the value of the content and the talent/art of a player to get exposure for the player/producer is unethical. As of today there are plenty videos on YouTube that will sustain this model for the next century. So moving forward a solution such as this is viable.

This isn't detrimental to the players. This might be slightly detrimental to the people who own the rights to the recorded media...which isn't the players. If the material were copyrighted by the media company that produced it, the evil youtube will remove the video post haste. Why are these videos still on youtube?

mind blown.