let's stir the pot alittle, cuemaker you can care less about owning
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I was stationed at Carson for abour 3 years, and I found it utterly entertaining how much people either LOVED or HATED Kikel's cues. I never hit a ball with one, and some of his combinations are super ugly in my opinion, but his craftsmanship was super top notch from everything that I saw. I have heard he can be slightly hard to deal with though.
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Good one.
Got to appreciate Dan's position though. Sometimes makers have a certain satisfaction that comes from building what is pleasing to them. I doubt I would have tried to charge an "ugly" tax though. I would have simply said I don't use that wood.
I can understand getting turned off though. I am sure if you put case makers in as well you would see about a dozen response from people who won't buy from me because of my outspoken nature.
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The question is rather vague, but the cuemakers I care less about owning, are any of the Internet cuemakers that have left us in disgrace.
Pepper, Zinzola, & Wadsworth for example.
I remember more names as I see their crappy cues come up for sale, and there are more to come.
My advice is not to send deposits unless you have completed a thorough search of the guys rep.
Pepper, Zinzola, & Wadsworth for example.
I remember more names as I see their crappy cues come up for sale, and there are more to come.
My advice is not to send deposits unless you have completed a thorough search of the guys rep.
I would not have been upset if he had just said "I would rather not build it", but to be a jerk and say it would cost me more for being ugly was in really bad taste IMO
I don't own that many custom cues.
Well, if you consider a couple of Dale Perry's, One of Ones, then I do. I'm Stylin and Profilin. I pull out a Perry and say, "Look, $1800.00, Dale said so on his web site.
As of late, there are more than a couple of cue makers that I will take a huge pass on tho.
Happens just not with Cues as well. I just spent $1500 on servicing my boat.
I have to take my boat in somewhere else now and have it re checked.
All I got was a bunch of Honkus from the original Tech that worked on it.
I hate when that happens.
But, $16.000.00 for the Oglala Souix Warrior Cue. I am certainly hoping that is $16.000.00 Yuan or Pesos.
I actually wouldn't mind owning that Indian tribute cue. Like I said, for that one. Pesos yes, Big American Bucks, no way Jose.
Or rather than Jose, "No way, Johnny Crooked Arrow".
Well, if you consider a couple of Dale Perry's, One of Ones, then I do. I'm Stylin and Profilin. I pull out a Perry and say, "Look, $1800.00, Dale said so on his web site.
As of late, there are more than a couple of cue makers that I will take a huge pass on tho.
Happens just not with Cues as well. I just spent $1500 on servicing my boat.
I have to take my boat in somewhere else now and have it re checked.
All I got was a bunch of Honkus from the original Tech that worked on it.
I hate when that happens.
But, $16.000.00 for the Oglala Souix Warrior Cue. I am certainly hoping that is $16.000.00 Yuan or Pesos.
I actually wouldn't mind owning that Indian tribute cue. Like I said, for that one. Pesos yes, Big American Bucks, no way Jose.
Or rather than Jose, "No way, Johnny Crooked Arrow".
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szamboti ... I don't get it. Well I kind get it's a piece of cue history but I don't get why I would want to spend 15k for one lol. These guys almost cum in there pants over a plain jain 4 point cue. I always laugh out loud at all the comments saying how amazing it is lol I've gotten to hit with quite a few as a friend was a flipper of high end cue and to me they don't hit any better then the average cue. lol I know to each his own.
Black boar. Again I've gotten to play with a lot of his cue's that our in the 15k + range and they look drop dead beautiful and then you play with them and to me the hit doesn't match the looks.
Black boar. Again I've gotten to play with a lot of his cue's that our in the 15k + range and they look drop dead beautiful and then you play with them and to me the hit doesn't match the looks.
I got agree with Trob assessment above... Plus SW cues do nothing for me. Paying thousands for a cue with a few nice woods, no inlays, and look down right plain for the most part. I've seen couple of nicer SW, but the price was about double of the plain jane's. And yeah, I hit with my buddies more than a few times... eh, if I closed my eyes I would not know it from anything else....
I know they age their woods, and they build good cues, and the folks are nice, but geez, just not for me.... no firestorm please, this is jmho.
I know they age their woods, and they build good cues, and the folks are nice, but geez, just not for me.... no firestorm please, this is jmho.
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I too can understand the turn-off by an "ugly tax." Not that it's an explanation, but folks need to remember that Dan Dishaw is a musical instrument maker first, and cuemaker second. Dan makes some of the finest playing and sounding solid-body guitars around -- he's a well-known name on the musical instrument scene. No less than Great White's Mark Kendall ("markgw" here on AZB) uses Dishaw guitars. I'm thinking about having Dan make me a 6-string electric bass guitar, but that's a SERIOUS investment that I'm going to have to plan for.
Why do I mention this? Because if you think Dan's "ugly tax" stance on cues is over the top, then you've never dealt with instrument makers at all. I know some who will tell you and dictate to you what woods you should be using for the particular sound you're known for, and if you don't abide by their "guidance," then you get stamped with an ugly tax or even outright refusal to build (with condescending attitude about you being a "mere musician who doesn't know anything besides what notes his fingers are touching" to boot).
Actually, it's all in the communications. I've found if you can give an educated reason why you want what you want (and not just "because I'm the customer and I want it, dammit!"), you'll find you can get past the "here, let me guide you" funnel that cuemakers/instrument makers put up. Talk to them about your mind's eye, and how you've personally put those woods together, and how this or that wood "means something to you personally." This way, you're explaining to the cuemaker that this is a sentimental journey for you, and not just a slapathon of woods.
Just some thoughts,
-Sean
Trob, its not come in their pants.
Its Jizz in My Pants.
Just for the Jizzers. The Jizz in My Pants Song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY
So just put one of those cues in their hands and its Clean Up On Aisle Three.
Its Jizz in My Pants.
Just for the Jizzers. The Jizz in My Pants Song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY
So just put one of those cues in their hands and its Clean Up On Aisle Three.
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I think maybe its a generational thing lol I've played with plenty and my pants were jizz free
My Hanes Boxer Briefs absorb most of the after shock.
Hahahaha!
FK, I just Grossed myself out again.
Hahahaha!
FK, I just Grossed myself out again.
Why, Bill "Dreamsnatcher" Stroud, of course.
best,
brian kc
best,
brian kc
for the record, I think mahogany is a beautiful wood for a cue.
and it was apparently good enough for brunswick, too.
this sapele mahogant brunswick converted sneaky is from the 30's - 40's .
best,
brian kc
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