VEPP online video clips

JoeyA · Nov 28, 2011

Quote:
Originally Posted by lfigueroa
Unless the AZ CTE Taliban is on your ass ;-)

More ad hominem attacks from the Naysayers.
(And they wonder why they get punished).

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dr_dave said:
JoeyA,

Do you consider yourself to be lumped into the "AZB CTE Taliban" group?

This reminds me of the terrorists vs. Muslim issue. Most Muslims are very kind and respectful people. Unfortunately, most terrorists are Muslims.

Joey, I consider you and many other CTE proponents to be "good" CTE followers (like the "good" Muslims). Only a select few are the "terrorists." It's too bad that many of the "AZB terrorists" also seem to be CTE followers. This sometimes results in unfortunate ad hominem prejudice.

I know I'm asking for more abuse with posts like this (and maybe I deserve it), but it's fun. Thank you sir ... may I have another?

Regards,
Dave (not a Naysayer, but a believer of the positive and realistic benefits of CTE and other cut shot "aiming systems")

Dave,

The rest of the readers wonder why I am on the Naysayers azz so much and Lou's post and yours are a perfect example of why I continue to ride herd on the the Naysayers.

You and Lou don't mind sticking the needle in CTE users and "equating" some CTE users to Taliban terroists. (It's not funny)

Actually it is just another ad hominem attack on the users of CTE and the "joke" lacks not only humor but is void of character and class.

Masayoshi and a couple of the other other trolls whine why I give it back to the Naysayers and these are just a FEW EXAMPLES of why I make it a point to remind the Naysayers why they are outted on occasion.

I'm glad you and Lou think it is fun attempting to ridicule CTE users as terroists. It must make you feel really good about yourselves.

The two of you deserve all of the douche-bag comments you get, imo.

pablocruz · Nov 28, 2011

JoeyA said:
Quote:
Originally Posted by lfigueroa
Unless the AZ CTE Taliban is on your ass ;-)

More ad hominem attacks from the Naysayers.
(And they wonder why they get punished).

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Dave,

The rest of the readers wonder why I am on the Naysayers azz so much and Lou's post and yours are a perfect example of why I continue to ride herd on the the Naysayers.

You and Lou don't mind sticking the needle in CTE users and "equating" some CTE users to Taliban terroists. (It's not funny)

Actually it is just another ad hominem attack on the users of CTE and the "joke" lacks not only humor but is void of character and class.

Masayoshi and a couple of the other other trolls whine why I give it back to the Naysayers and these are just a FEW EXAMPLES of why I make it a point to remind the Naysayers why they are outted on occasion.

I'm glad you and Lou think it is fun attempting to ridicule CTE users as terroists. It must make you feel really good about yourselves.

The two of you deserve all of the douche-bag comments you get, imo.

Looks as if someone here is in dire need of CTE/Pro-One lessons?
http://live2ustreams.com/Mi_Billiards.html

cookie man · Nov 28, 2011

dr_dave said:
JoeyA,

Do you consider yourself to be lumped into the "AZB CTE Taliban" group?

This reminds me of the terrorists vs. Muslim issue. Most Muslims are very kind and respectful people. Unfortunately, most terrorists are Muslims.

Joey, I consider you and many other CTE proponents to be "good" CTE followers (like the "good" Muslims). Only a select few are the "terrorists." It's too bad that many of the "AZB terrorists" also seem to be CTE followers. This sometimes results in unfortunate ad hominem prejudice.

I know I'm asking for more abuse with posts like this (and maybe I deserve it), but it's fun. Thank you sir ... may I have another?

Regards,
Dave (not a Naysayer, but a believer of the positive and realistic benefits of CTE and other cut shot "aiming systems")

You have to be a total ass to make this post in this day and age.

dr_dave · Nov 28, 2011

JB Cases said:
sfleinen said:

Let's take an example:

http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/stance.html
Now, let's pretend you're a outside reader reading this. This reader stumbled across your website, say, from a Google search. This reader may or MAY NOT also be a member of AZB. The reader finds this information interesting, and wants to follow-up with the original author of this information. But the following problems will prevent him/her from doing this:

1. The only "attribution" you give, is a plain text "from sfleinen:" intro. If the reader isn't an oft-reader of the AZB forums, the reader has no idea who, or what, an "sfleinen" is.

2. There is no indicator of any kind where this information was taken from. There's no URL, no reference, and no footnote at the bottom of *any* of your website pages where the user can go to pursue where you got this information. Again, in-touch readers of the AZB forums might recognize the "sfleinen" moniker, and put two-and-two together that this is the same "sfleinen" that posts on AZB. But it's left up to the reader to do the R&D gymnastics to find out who the original source is.

3. The above is an example of what many of us have issues with. You "say" you "give attribution" to the information, but you actually don't. All you give attribution to is some screenname, without any kind of hint where that screenname is from or where it lives.

4. You don't include any links to that information so that the reader can follow the information to its source. You've intentionally broken that relationship by sanitizing the information of its source. There's no way an AZB-unfamiliar reader can find out it's from the AZB forums, much less the thread and the context in which it was posted. There's no context for this information at all. The information lives, and dies, with YOU. The only recourse the reader has, it to email YOU to find out where you got it from, and ask for contact information for "sfleinen". I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you would give that info, but something also tells me that you'll also exploit that opportunity to see what else you can "give" that reader who contacted you -- e.g. perhaps more links to related information on your website concerning the topic that my information above was about (e.g. to *keep* the user glued to your website)? Perhaps sales pitches on your commercial products?

5. Proper attribution to information includes the person's full name, and the full resource path (including ISBN in case of a book, or URL in case of a website). Without this information, the source author and *the context* in which the information is posted, is LOST. With a full name, ISBN, and/or URL, the user has a full uninterrupted path back to the original author, and the context that the original information was posted in. When I see an excerpt from a book, I can go get that book, and find out why the author said what he/she said -- the full context is right there. By breaking that linkage to the original source as you've done all over your website, you've DESTROYED that reader's ability to do that!

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GREAT POST SEAN! Perfectly made points that hit the NAIL ON THE HEAD precisely.

Did you see my response to Sean? Here it is again:

dr_dave said:
Sean,

You've made some good points. I agree with you that when I quote something, I should provide a link to the source page. I will do this for any new quotes I add. And when I can find some time, I will also try to do this for all of my existing quotes; although, this isn't always possible because sometimes posts and threads get edited and/or deleted and/or moved.

BTW, I've always had the following at the top of my FAQ resource page:

mostly from the Billiards Digest online CCB discussion forum
and the AZBilliards online discussion forum

but I agree with you that this, along with the the user names, is not enough for interested parties to find the source and context of the quotes. I will do better with this in the future.

I honestly didn't know this was the main things that has been bothering you lately. Thank you for clarifying.

And thank you for the excellent suggestion.

Thanks again to Sean for the great idea. :clapping:

Regards,
Dave

dr_dave · Nov 28, 2011

cookie man said:
dr_dave said:

... [I'm] a believer of the positive and realistic benefits of CTE and other cut shot "aiming systems")

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You have to be a total ass to make this post in this day and age.

I'm sorry if you don't agree that CTE and other cut-shot aiming systems offer many benefits. :sorry: :grin-square:

Here is a brief summary of the main benefits:
- helps one focus on aim and alignment consistently and with concentration
- encourages a consistent pre-shot routine.
- helps one visually learn and reinforce the amount of cut needed from one shot to the next.
- helps one focus on the center of the CB.
- helps one create trust and confidence in aiming so one can focus on the stroke.
- etc!!!

Seriously, I know my reference to and extension of Lou's terrorist analogy was probably in bad taste. Even though I thought it was fair given all of the negative attacks thrown at me lately, I've retracted the statement.

Regards,
Dave

lfigueroa · Nov 28, 2011

pablocruz said:
Looks as if someone here is in dire need of CTE/Pro-One lessons?
http://live2ustreams.com/Mi_Billiards.html

Pablo! I knew I was missing someone! Look, before I send you down the chute (the other guys are waiting for you

here are my comments after that event. I think they apply in response to you too:

“lol, as I wrote at the time (both before and after the event) I expected to go two and out I actually went 1-2) because my wife and I had been traveling non-stop (Europe, NYC, Chicago) the month right before the tournament. No pool for moi, but I decided to go for S&Gs.

Someday you may have the opportunity to be on the a TV table. Me, twice lately -- one good performance at the US 1Pocket Open in Vegas http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=232135 and one in Chicago for the World 14.1 qualifier http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=3122773#post3122773 -- which, BTW, I won two years earlier -- not so good.

I’m look forward to seeing how you hold up if anyone ever decides you’re worth putting on camera ;-)”

Oh, and here’s another video for you. No CTE involved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJH_Q-GgnCY

Lou Figueroa
buh bye

champ2107 · Nov 28, 2011

lfigueroa said:
Pablo! I knew I was missing someone! Look, before I send you down the chute (the other guys are waiting for you here are my comments after that event. I think they apply in response to you too:

“lol, as I wrote at the time (both before and after the event) I expected to go two and out I actually went 1-2) because my wife and I had been traveling non-stop (Europe, NYC, Chicago) the month right before the tournament. No pool for moi, but I decided to go for S&Gs.

Someday you may have the opportunity to be on the a TV table. Me, twice lately -- one good performance at the US 1Pocket Open in Vegas http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=232135 and one in Chicago for the World 14.1 qualifier http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=3122773#post3122773 -- which, BTW, I won two years earlier -- not so good.

I’m look forward to seeing how you hold up if anyone ever decides you’re worth putting on camera ;-)”

Oh, and here’s another video for you. No CTE involved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJH_Q-GgnCY

Lou Figueroa
buh bye

ahahahahahaha cough cough lol u suck! You have the balls to keep coming into aiming threads and post negativity about them? lmao you play like a lil bit above average Tuesday night league player

8pack · Nov 28, 2011

champ2107 said:
ahahahahahaha cough cough lol u suck! You have the balls to keep coming into aiming threads and post negativity about them? lmao you play like a lil bit above average Tuesday night league player

So are you saying u play better than Lou?

champ2107 · Nov 28, 2011

champ2107 said:
ahahahahahaha cough cough lol u suck! You have the balls to keep coming into aiming threads and post negativity about them? lmao you play like a lil bit above average Tuesday night league player

im saying the above? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Banks · Nov 28, 2011

8pack said:
So are you saying u play better than Lou?

Sure sounds like a challenge to me.. maybe he could team up with Barton and they could each get a turn a round vs Lou.

cookie man · Nov 28, 2011

lfigueroa said:
Pablo! I knew I was missing someone! Look, before I send you down the chute (the other guys are waiting for you here are my comments after that event. I think they apply in response to you too:

“lol, as I wrote at the time (both before and after the event) I expected to go two and out I actually went 1-2) because my wife and I had been traveling non-stop (Europe, NYC, Chicago) the month right before the tournament. No pool for moi, but I decided to go for S&Gs.

Someday you may have the opportunity to be on the a TV table. Me, twice lately -- one good performance at the US 1Pocket Open in Vegas http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=232135 and one in Chicago for the World 14.1 qualifier http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=3122773#post3122773 -- which, BTW, I won two years earlier -- not so good.

I’m look forward to seeing how you hold up if anyone ever decides you’re worth putting on camera ;-)”

Oh, and here’s another video for you. No CTE involved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJH_Q-GgnCY

Lou Figueroa
buh bye

Really, nice 6-ball in the side, or were you banking it cross corner.

dr_dave · Nov 28, 2011

thread "drift"

This thread sure has been "scattered," so I thought I would try to return it to the original message:

Bob Jewett and I have posted a collection of clips from our new Video Encyclopedia of Pool Practice (VEPP) series. Here are direct links to the clips:

We hope you enjoy the clips and find them useful, and we look forward to your comments and questions.

Best regards from Dave and Bob.

champ2107 · Nov 28, 2011

good call dr dave! i think lou firigno needs to go back to the basics for a refresher course

maybe you can recommend an aiming system for him also, or maybe he keeps thinking hes in a banks match

dr_dave · Nov 28, 2011

champ2107 said:
good call dr dave! i think lou firigno needs to go back to the basics for a refresher course maybe you can recommend an aiming system for him also, or maybe he keeps thinking hes in a banks match

I would suggest CTE to Lou, but I don't think he would be very "receptive;" and he probably uses DAM already anyway, like most good players. :grin:

So I can add to AZB's "archive," here's a basic description of DAM (Dave's Aiming Method):

The basics of the DAM system are: with a consistent pre-shot routine, you visualize the required "angle of the shot" and required "line of aim" while standing, you then align your vision center with the line of aim as you move your bridge hand and cue forward into your stance while keeping your focus on the object ball (or ghost-ball resting point, or contact point, or ball overlap, or whatever else defines your target), then you follow all of the recommended stroke "best practices." Be sure to maintain "quiet eyes" both at the "set" aiming position, checking both the CB tip contact point and your aiming line, and when focusing on the object ball (or whatever target you have identified) during the final forward stroke. If you are a good shooter and maintain focus and don't do anything wrong during the entire DAM process, you will make every shot.

The key to aiming is placing the bridge hand in the exact required position so the bridge guides the cue along the necessary line of aim for the shot. Sometimes you might need to adjust your bridge position a little as you get down and settle into your stance, because you are not likely to place your hand down perfectly every time. Good shooters can see the required angle of the shot and make the necessary fine adjustments to bring the cue (with the bridge) into alignment with the necessary line. Good shooters can also make adjustments where necessary for squirt, swerve, and throw based on shot distance, shot speed, cue elevation, ball and cloth conditions, bridge length, amount and type of spin, etc.

I think good shooters use all visual information available to them to help see the required angle of the shot and the necessary line of aim. They might use any or all of: ghost-ball visualization, ball-to-ball contact-point visualization, impact-line (or "target line" or "line of centers") visualization, required ball-hit fraction amount (CB-OB overlap), center-to-edge (CTE) 1/2-ball-hit line visualization, etc. Regardless, a good shooter doesn't need a procedural "aiming system" to do this, IMO. For not-so-good shooters, there are drills and techniques they can use to help develop their visualization skills so they can improve their ability to "see" the shot. For example, see:

ghost-ball aiming method and drill
NV 3.1 - Practicing contact point and ghost ball visualization
NV 3.2 - Using the cue to help visualize the impact and aiming lines
NV B.3 - Mike Page's aiming video (part 1, part 2)

For more information, see my October '08 and November '08 Billiards Digest articles concerning aiming and DAM.

Regards,
Dave

PoolSharkAllen · Nov 28, 2011

champ2107 said:
good call dr dave! i think lou firigno needs to go back to the basics for a refresher course maybe you can recommend an aiming system for him also, or maybe he keeps thinking hes in a banks match

How about you Champ? You need an aiming system for yourself so I'd like to recommend that you try out the "reflections in the lights" aiming system. :wink:

champ2107 · Nov 28, 2011

PoolSharkAllen said:
How about you Champ? You need an aiming system for yourself so I'd like to recommend that you try out the "reflections in the lights" aiming system. :wink:

for me, im a lost cause

i just go to the pool hall for the cheap beer and to share some lies

dr_dave · Dec 13, 2011

Some of you should have received your Video Encyclopedia of Pool Practice (VEPP) DVDs by now. After you have time to view them, please let us know what you think.

Bob and I look forward to your feedback and candid reviews.

Regards,
Dave

dmgwalsh · Dec 13, 2011

dr_dave said:
Some of you should have received your Video Encyclopedia of Pool Practice (VEPP) DVDs by now. After you have time to view them, please let us know what you think.

Bob and I look forward to your feedback and candid reviews.

Regards,
Dave

I just got mine today and converted disc one for easy viewing on my ipad.

I looked at this thread today to see if others got theirs and what others thought of it so far. Not sure what this thread is about now, but doubt it will become a vehicle for a discussion of the vids.

dr_dave · Dec 13, 2011

dmgwalsh said:
I just got mine today and converted disc one for easy viewing on my ipad.

I looked at this thread today to see if others got theirs and what others thought of it so far. Not sure what this thread is about now, but doubt it will become a vehicle for a discussion of the vids.

I propose that this thread now be about the VEPP video clips posted online (the original intent of the thread) and the full DVDs that people are now receiving and viewing.

Tell us what you think and whether or not you like the DVDs, and whether or not you would recommend them to others.

I look forward to your honest reviews.

Thanks,
Dave

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