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Good for you and I sincerely mean it. Now lets get down to the most important thing. That Brunswick Anniversary table you have is super beautiful looking and I'm sure plays like a charm. I just noticed it. Gorgeous!

Thanks for that. It's about to get a whole lot better with a visit from Glen maybe next week. Getting his full meal deal and changing to blue Simonis. The best thing about playing on my table; the two 2' X 4' panel LEDs. Old folks need lots of light and that is what I miss most when I venture to the bar or pool hall. Okay, I'm open to learning CTE. How do I get started? I purchased SAMBA and it made my eyes roll and water. hoping CTE won't do that.
 
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Thanks for that. It's about to get a whole lot better with a visit from Glen maybe next week. Getting his full meal deal and changing to blue Simonis. The best thing about playing on my table; the two 2' X 4' panel LEDs. Old folks need lots of light and that is what I miss most when I venture to the bar or pool hall. Okay, I'm open to learning CTE. How do I get started? I purchased SAMBA and it made my eyes roll and water. hoping CTE won't do that.

Wait for Stan's book. It will be accompanied by an on-line (free) video course that will expose the necessities of CTE. The book won't be required to simply learn CTE, but it will be extremely useful. Similar to owning the manual to a car: Not necessary to strictly drive, but extremely beneficial for ownership and maintenance.
 
Wait for Stan's book. It will be accompanied by an on-line (free) video course that will expose the necessities of CTE. The book won't be required to simply learn CTE, but it will be extremely useful. Similar to owning the manual to a car: Not necessary to strictly drive, but extremely beneficial for ownership and maintenance.

I think I'm too old to aim differently than I do now. I don't have trouble potting balls but I could sure do a better job of getting the correct angle on the next ball.
 
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Thanks for that. It's about to get a whole lot better with a visit from Glen maybe next week. Getting his full meal deal and changing to blue Simonis. The best thing about playing on my table; the two 2' X 4' panel LEDs. Old folks need lots of light and that is what I miss most when I venture to the bar or pool hall. Okay, I'm open to learning CTE. How do I get started? I purchased SAMBA and it made my eyes roll and water. hoping CTE won't do that.

Go with the Simonis HR. Same speed as non but will last you for the rest of your life.
(maybe around 95 you'll need a new job if you keep putting the same hours on the table every day)
 
Go with the Simonis HR. Same speed as non but will last you for the rest of your life.
(maybe around 95 you'll need a new job if you keep putting the same hours on the table every day)

Yes, Simonis 860 HR Tournament Blue. That is all Glen carries in his truck.
 
I'm a firm believer of the old saying, "If it ain't broke don't fix it."

Who says "broke" has anything to do with it. How about UPGRADE to "NEW AND IMPROVED".

That applies here as well. Meaning that many of us here, including you, have dedicated countless hours of table time. If you've gotten anywhere close to being a good player, at least a B+ player or higher, and you've been at it on and off for years, and now have a family and bigger responsibilities that demand your time, you're not going to be willing to scrap those learning years to adopt a new system, especially if you feel your game is solid, with very few minor exceptions. But you'll give yourself an honest appraisal and find that shot or two that, for whatever reason, gives you trouble,
or started giving you trouble over the years. So you'll try the system on these particular shots because you realize they need fixed. Before long you'll be shooting those trouble balls like they were never any trouble at all, and you'll have accomplished this with minimal effort and table time.

This isn't about me, it's about you. And no, I don't see it the way you explained at all.

I would use the system on every shot if I felt like I needed it. Pool players are proud and stubborn, seldom admitting our weak points.

Who cares whether you need it? Is it going to make you worse by missing more shots?

I am no different. As far as using the system on every shot, focusing on the aim points and ensuring I hit them just right....well, I find myself doing that more and more as a warm-up. After about 15minutes I notice that I'm no longer paying attention to the numbers.

That should be the case if your system is internalized by you or anyone else. Are you saying the system is a cumbersome pain in the arse after a while?

I'm just playing pool. And no, before you type it, I'm not changing the name of the book to, "Brian's Miraculous Warm-up System" . Lol

I wouldn't have thought of that but it sure sounds like a great name to me! I think you should reconsider! :grin:
 
Glen did the full treatment on my gc 2 in 2011. You will not be disappointed.

I also have two 2 x 4 led lights. I'm only 56 but I need a lot of light too.


Thanks for that. It's about to get a whole lot better with a visit from Glen maybe next week. Getting his full meal deal and changing to blue Simonis. The best thing about playing on my table; the two 2' X 4' panel LEDs. Old folks need lots of light and that is what I miss most when I venture to the bar or pool hall. Okay, I'm open to learning CTE. How do I get started? I purchased SAMBA and it made my eyes roll and water. hoping CTE won't do that.






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Wow, did this ever get off track. The original post is about the new book "Poolology". I don't think anyone other than NASA has the money to build a robot that can go around the table and shoot shots. What will it do when it's time for the bridge? Lift it up, lean it over, lengthen the arms, etc. etc. Building a pool robot like Iron Byron that is just stationary might be feasible. It could stroke the same path over and over if someone will set up the balls.
Let's get back to the book;.. I've taken the last 4 days to test Poolology and found it to be very accurate, especially in zones A and B for a corner pocket. Zone C and the side pockets shots are all correct and accurate too but just not as easy and clear as A and B to the corner. They can become so with more work because the value lines are harder to locate and the alignment values on the rails are not linear. The only pool I've played since studying the book is on a 7' Diamond at a bar. I'm an A player and found that I didn't need it on the dinky table. Soon I'll have some competition on my 9' table and I'll report back. I think shots like one would find in Zone C with some long distance back cuts, I'll really take a minute to figure it out. I find with this system and with kicking systems that if you can't solve it fast by knowing the system well you probably won't take an inordinate amount of time to do so just out of respect for your competitor. They will be rolling their eyes in short order. Another thing; it is really soothing to find your shot is sitting on exactly 1/2 ball hit. Especially on the nine ball. "Poolology"; maybe the best $10 I've spent so far on pool reading material? Yes! Just my two cents.

Are you sure you are an "A" Player?
 
Wish you were running the "B" tournaments around here because the guys that do won't let me play in them. Why do you doubt me?

My guess is he is referring to your comment about a comfort level knowing you have a half ball hit on the 9 ball. The inference is an A player doesn't need that comfort level. I agree with you, though. Take a spot shot, for example. What A level player isn't going to put the cue ball on the head string at the place where he knows the spot shot is a half ball hit?
 
My guess is he is referring to your comment about a comfort level knowing you have a half ball hit on the 9 ball. The inference is an A player doesn't need that comfort level. I agree with you, though. Take a spot shot, for example. What A level player isn't going to put the cue ball on the head string at the place where he knows the spot shot is a half ball hit?

I think you are right. In a three hour match on 7' tables yesterday I didn't find any need for it. Again today, running patterns with my teacher, I didn't use it other than demonstrating how it works to him. He's read the book but hadn't had time to take it to the table. I personally do not need fraction ball aiming. I've played enough to trust my aiming system whatever it is (I know but not relevant). In "Poolology", zones A and B to a corner pocket are so easy to find the value and alignment point, it could be used to verify what your own personal aiming system has told you. Takes 10 seconds. Where I might really find it useful is in all zones for back cuts. One of my many weaknesses that I've been working on and getting better with drills.
I think the book is a wonderful work in that the reader can just add it to their toolbox and if fractional aiming lights their fire, go with it. And, after all... I'd pay $10 to see a monkey pee.
 
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I think the book is a wonderful work in that the reader can just add it to their toolbox and if fractional aiming lights their fire, go with it. And, after all... I'd pay $10 to see a monkey pee.

Maybe I should buy a few monkeys! Lol.
 
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My guess is he is referring to your comment about a comfort level knowing you have a half ball hit on the 9 ball. The inference is an A player doesn't need that comfort level. I agree with you, though. Take a spot shot, for example. What A level player isn't going to put the cue ball on the head string at the place where he knows the spot shot is a half ball hit?



Looks like Stan replied ;)

https://youtu.be/IdTBDO_6au4
 

He sure is a great shot maker. No argument from me that what he does works great for him. When he puts the cue in line for a "traditional" 1/2 ball shot, and says there's no way of really knowing it's a 30° shot....well, traditionally, he's correct, because angles are invisible. But this thread is about a NON-traditional method, which provides the luxury of knowing it's a 30° shot.
 
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He sure is a great shot maker. No argument from me that what he does works great for him.

And others. Especially those who use it as their PRIMARY and only system who have practiced and mastered it. ALL systems require practice and mastering.

When he puts the cue in line for a "traditional" 1/2 ball shot, and says there's no way of really knowing it's a 30° shot....well, traditionally, he's correct, because angles are invisible. But this thread is about a NON-traditional method, which provides the luxury of knowing it's a 30° shot.

So what Stan was using is now considered a TRADITIONAL method? The luxury of knowing it's a 30 degree shot depends entirely on the exact placement of the CB in relationship to the OB. A 1/2 inch or more variance makes it something else other than a 30 degree shot. Where is the exact location of the CB supposed to be, also assuming the OB spot is laser measured nuts on where it's supposed to be vertically and horizontally with the table diamonds for a spot shot?

Fact is, I have no idea WHAT this thread is about. It started out as a glowing review by DW which I predicted he would do regardless of what he really thought.

However, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and go along with what has been said by him and everyone else because I feel all aiming systems have something going for them above and beyond nothing, intuition, and feel. All of which are completely unexplainable in words as well as fleeting from one day to the next in pocketing success.

Yet, the author as well as DW and LF all say they'll stick to what they do which is
intuition and feel and only use this when the going gets tough or they can't hit the broad side of a barn, let alone a pocket.

Here are some new names I came up with for the NON-TRADITIONAL METHOD:

The Part Time Aiming System

The Secondary Aiming System

The Spare Tire Aiming System - Not as good as a new Michelin but it'll get you there, hopefully

When Part A Isn't Working, The Part B Aiming Method

When All Else Fails Aiming System

The Last Ditch Aiming System

A GPS Only For When You're Lost Aiming System

Not As Good As Feel Aiming System

Math Class Is Hard Aiming

You Won't Be Considered A Real Player If You Use It Aiming System

Real Players Who Don't Use Aiming Systems Aiming System

Next Best Thing To Instincts Aiming System

The Texas Instruments Scientific Calculator Aiming System

I Don't Use It But It Will Be Great For You Aiming Method

Works Like A Charm When You Care To Use It Aiming

The Fourth Choice Aiming Method

Don't Tell Anyone I'm Using This Aiming System

It's Our Little Secret Aiming System

Won't Beat No Aiming System, System

Only Use "If It's Broke" Aiming System

Fractional Aiming If Your Pocketing % is 20% Or Less

When Your Intuitive Direct Line To The Cosmos Keeps Getting A Busy Signal Aiming System


Please chime in with more names for the REPLACEMENT to feel and intuitive methods of aiming which are without a doubt the best as stated by the author and other endorsers.

I think if people are paying $10 for Poolology they'd pay $20 or $30 for Brian's GO TO NORMAL USE AIMING SYSTEM. THAT is the SECRET ONE.
 
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I hear you loud and clear, brother. I do.

But what some players need to go next level is way to see the shots better. You are an advocate for good systems and you explain them well and in depth. Poolology in a nutshell is way to use real reference points like pocket centers and diamonds to calculate cut angles. It's a good system.
 
THanks for posting this link.
I haven't seen any of the aiming system people make shots like this Shuffett guy makes with his CTE method. I see there's a lot more on youtube by him too.
Most of the demonstrations from system aimers are with simple shots that a beginner can make. This was a lot different.
 
I hear you loud and clear, brother. I do.

But what some players need to go next level is way to see the shots better. You are an advocate for good systems and you explain them well and in depth. Poolology in a nutshell is way to use real reference points like pocket centers and diamonds to calculate cut angles. It's a good system.

I'm not saying otherwise about it being a good system. I'm curious as to why the author and others continue to label it as a secondary system to whatever is being used or "feel and intuition" which can't be linked to any reference points and even close to an explanation.
 
I'm not saying otherwise about it being a good system. I'm curious as to why the author and others continue to label it as a secondary system to whatever is being used or "feel and intuition" which can't be linked to any reference points and even close to an explanation.
For years, everyone I knew starting a run in 8 ball or straights, tried to start with a cinch shot that was either straight in or a cut that was a half ball hit.
With that half ball lineup, all you had to do was aim through the center of the cue ball at the object ball edge to make the shot. That was something the old guys taught all beginners. 1/4 ball was easy to lineup on also.
The difficulties on cuts started when the shot was a 3/4 hit. Then 'cling' came into play and caused many hits to be too thick...which meant using outside English to offset the 'cling'.
In your experience, do these systems allow for the 'cling' factor...(regardless of which system is used)..?
 
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