Finally coming around....wait....maybe not

Big Perm

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OK, been putting in a decent amount of practice time to raise the level of play, working for constant improvement, playing everything from 1pkt, to 8, to 9, to straight, and so on.....working on stroke, patience, defense...yada, yada, yada....

Finally, just a couple of weeks ago, had one of those weeks....players I'd normally match up well against, I was beating handily.....even on off-nights, I found a way to win.....like my game had stepped up a level, and it was about time....

This last week, complete opposite....playing decent, but back in the same spot as before.....lose here, win there, but have backtracked back to the previous plateau....

Question - for those that have previously reached a plateau and been able to overcome a long flat spot in order to continue improvement to the next level......what worked for you??? What did you do or change that made the difference????

Thanks,

Jason
 
Well, that's a tough question. For me, the hardest thing I've attempted to overcome is my bad habits. It's a never ending struggle. If I had to pin down a few things that have seemed to really help, they would be (in no particular order): pause before final stroke, staying down, getting lower on the shot, putting my lazy finger & pinky above the cue on my grip hand (loosening my grip), and using an open bridge with my middle and lazy finger tucked under. Also lengthening my stroke on long, tough shots.
 
I've always felt like the improvement was truly gradual, but what smutz said is really important... identify and break bad habits. Some very common bad habits I had to learn to break:

1. Stop 'englishing' in cuts with sidespin. Some people love to just undercut every ball and use outside english to throw it in. Others do the opposite and use inside. Some players absolutely cannot make a rail cut without low outside english, if they had to make it with center ball or inside they're helpless. Learn to make a ball with no english and then use the correct english to position the cueball, seldom will you use english just to help you sink a ball.

On the same track, if you find you can only make a certain ball by rolling it in or slamming it in, try your hardest to learn to make it at all speeds. Some players feel like you have to power long shots for example, and even though speed will help prevent a shot from rolling off, roll off is really only a concern at waaaay too slow speeds, at least on my local tables.

2. Stop using 'tricks' and 'body english' to move the cueball. Don't snap downward or jab at your draw strokes, don't twist the stick sideways on shots that need sidespin, don't start your stroke aiming at one spot and then move up or down or sideways mid-stroke to correct it (which a lot of people do subconsciously).

3. Don't be lazy with your leaves... pick a spot beforehand on every ball, don't just fall into patterns and figure "any angle is fine, it's an easy shot". Don't assume "the odds of getting totally straight here are slim, I should be ok"... make SURE you're not straight. Pick a particular leave area (really an exact leave 'spot') and try to put the cue ball there. Do this on every shot, and do it before you get down to shoot.

4. Don't fall prey to wishful thinking. This is a huge problem and ties in with 3 (anyway it was a big problem for me). Don't try to 'hold' a ball when you can sense it'll be very tricky... if a cut is steep and you'll be forced to send the cueball across the table, then bite the bullet and do it, don't just try to shoot extra soft and baby the OB in and hope you can get the leave. If you can see you're too straight to move the cueball the way you want, even after cheating the pocket, you must consider playing it another pocket, banking, going railfirst, or playing safe... don't just ram the ball extra hard and pray it works out, because it won't.

Other examples of wishful thinking -

...You can see an object ball just baaarely can NOT pass another ball, but you talk yourself into thinking it can. Or you can just see enough of a ball to hit it (but not to make it) but you convince yourself you can make it.

...You know you ought to check to see if a ball can pass in a tight situation, but you're too lazy to walk around the table and make sure, and you just shoot as if it definitely goes.

...You know you'll be in trouble if you leave the cueball parked on the rail, but you can't make yourself use the added force or spin or whatever that's needed to prevent it

...You can see a cut is too steep to send the cueball into a particular area but you try anyway (like the cueball is definitely going uptable when you're making a sharp cut along the short rail... but you try to hold it on your side of the table)

...you can see a certain ball is really important for getting a breakout or falling into a tight position, but you shoot it 'early' anyway without using it the way you wanted because it's the easiest shot and you're scared of missing the other available shots.

... you know that playing a very very sharp cut in the side is nearly impossible, and it'd be better to play such a shot in the corner (or to bank it) but you try anyway.

5. KISS - don't automatically play every ball in the nearest pocket, if it means you need to move the cueball a lot more to get position on that shot.

Once you understand english and have decent fundamentals, thinking and work is what separates you from other players. Try very hard to play every shot correctly even if it means taking more time, or making the shot harder, or taking a more difficult option, etc.

Also, be ready to go backwards before you can go forward. If the correct way to play a shot is with inside english to get position... but you only know how to make it with outside english, use the correct (inside) english even if it means missing something you are sure you could have made with the wrong english. In the short run you may miss more and lose more but in the long run you'll get stronger and eventually master making the cut with any english, and will start winning again.
 
Guys, thank you both for your time and posts, good stuff...

Really like the comment about being lazy with your leaves, that hit a nerve....and is probably my biggest issue...leaving to an area as opposed to a spot....far too often, I kill runs by getting straight in or being short/long on speed by not giving the leave enough respect on easier shots...

Getting a lesson this weekend, will report up on that next week, hope to be a lot smarter soon :D
 
CreeDo said:
I've always felt like the improvement was truly gradual, but what smutz said is really important... identify and break bad habits. Some very common bad habits I had to learn to break:

CreeDo, great and wise advice, also well written, you should write a book!
 
CreeDo said:
I've always felt like the improvement was truly gradual, but what smutz said is really important... identify and break bad habits. Some very common bad habits I had to learn to break:

1. Stop 'englishing' in cuts with sidespin. Some people love to just undercut every ball and use outside english to throw it in. Others do the opposite and use inside. Some players absolutely cannot make a rail cut without low outside english, if they had to make it with center ball or inside they're helpless. Learn to make a ball with no english and then use the correct english to position the cueball, seldom will you use english just to help you sink a ball.

On the same track, if you find you can only make a certain ball by rolling it in or slamming it in, try your hardest to learn to make it at all speeds. Some players feel like you have to power long shots for example, and even though speed will help prevent a shot from rolling off, roll off is really only a concern at waaaay too slow speeds, at least on my local tables.

2. Stop using 'tricks' and 'body english' to move the cueball. Don't snap downward or jab at your draw strokes, don't twist the stick sideways on shots that need sidespin, don't start your stroke aiming at one spot and then move up or down or sideways mid-stroke to correct it (which a lot of people do subconsciously).

3. Don't be lazy with your leaves... pick a spot beforehand on every ball, don't just fall into patterns and figure "any angle is fine, it's an easy shot". Don't assume "the odds of getting totally straight here are slim, I should be ok"... make SURE you're not straight. Pick a particular leave area (really an exact leave 'spot') and try to put the cue ball there. Do this on every shot, and do it before you get down to shoot.

4. Don't fall prey to wishful thinking. This is a huge problem and ties in with 3 (anyway it was a big problem for me). Don't try to 'hold' a ball when you can sense it'll be very tricky... if a cut is steep and you'll be forced to send the cueball across the table, then bite the bullet and do it, don't just try to shoot extra soft and baby the OB in and hope you can get the leave. If you can see you're too straight to move the cueball the way you want, even after cheating the pocket, you must consider playing it another pocket, banking, going railfirst, or playing safe... don't just ram the ball extra hard and pray it works out, because it won't.

Other examples of wishful thinking -

...You can see an object ball just baaarely can NOT pass another ball, but you talk yourself into thinking it can. Or you can just see enough of a ball to hit it (but not to make it) but you convince yourself you can make it.

...You know you ought to check to see if a ball can pass in a tight situation, but you're too lazy to walk around the table and make sure, and you just shoot as if it definitely goes.

...You know you'll be in trouble if you leave the cueball parked on the rail, but you can't make yourself use the added force or spin or whatever that's needed to prevent it

...You can see a cut is too steep to send the cueball into a particular area but you try anyway (like the cueball is definitely going uptable when you're making a sharp cut along the short rail... but you try to hold it on your side of the table)

...you can see a certain ball is really important for getting a breakout or falling into a tight position, but you shoot it 'early' anyway without using it the way you wanted because it's the easiest shot and you're scared of missing the other available shots.

... you know that playing a very very sharp cut in the side is nearly impossible, and it'd be better to play such a shot in the corner (or to bank it) but you try anyway.

5. KISS - don't automatically play every ball in the nearest pocket, if it means you need to move the cueball a lot more to get position on that shot.

Once you understand english and have decent fundamentals, thinking and work is what separates you from other players. Try very hard to play every shot correctly even if it means taking more time, or making the shot harder, or taking a more difficult option, etc.

Also, be ready to go backwards before you can go forward. If the correct way to play a shot is with inside english to get position... but you only know how to make it with outside english, use the correct (inside) english even if it means missing something you are sure you could have made with the wrong english. In the short run you may miss more and lose more but in the long run you'll get stronger and eventually master making the cut with any english, and will start winning again.


CreeDo

I think every pool player on this forum should print that out and tape it to the fridge (or their forehead) whatever works best.

Awesome post!
 
CreeDo's post really has a ton of good ideas in it. What occurred to me as I read over the post was that you have to accept that it is a never ending struggle to keep all the bad habits under control. I used to think that you could beat a particular bad habit and then move on to another problem with your game. But, at least in my case, the bad habits just don't stay beaten! I have be struggling with many of the same bad habits for the 45 years I have been playing pool. When you have a bad week, as the original poster mentions, maybe one or more of those bad habits have made reappearances, sometimes without you even knowing it. I have a bad habit of coming up off of the shot and I am not always even aware I am doing it. You might develop a list of the particular bad habits that most affect your game and then, when in a slump, you could check your list and maybe identify the habit or habits that have re-emerged.
 
Big Perm said:
OK, been putting in a decent amount of practice time to raise the level of play, working for constant improvement, playing everything from 1pkt, to 8, to 9, to straight, and so on.....working on stroke, patience, defense...yada, yada, yada....

Finally, just a couple of weeks ago, had one of those weeks....players I'd normally match up well against, I was beating handily.....even on off-nights, I found a way to win.....like my game had stepped up a level, and it was about time....

This last week, complete opposite....playing decent, but back in the same spot as before.....lose here, win there, but have backtracked back to the previous plateau....

Question - for those that have previously reached a plateau and been able to overcome a long flat spot in order to continue improvement to the next level......what worked for you??? What did you do or change that made the difference????

Thanks,

Jason

Its possible a little over confidence crept in on you. Maybe you just jumped to your shots without proper preperation mentally? Take a bit more time on your pre-shot mental aspects from here on in, make sure the ob is visually in the hole and the cb is parked where you want BEFORE you get down on the shots. Slow your pace a bit and focus more.
 
Thanks for the kind words and reps everyone :)

I've been thinking about writing some pool stuff for a while now, maybe a weekly or monthly article for a pool site I made for a buddy. Wish me luck, I just need to overcome the summer lazies.
 
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