Why Django why?

kano

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I am in Manila watching Worlds. I bought season VIP passes for the entire week. I even flew in from Korea for the event. For the most part the tournament has been fun for me. But I witnessed something first hand a couple of days ago that put a bad taste in my mouth.

I was on the top rung of seats on table two watching a match, can't remember between who, anyway next to table two was the warm up tables. Django Bustamante was up next (on table 2) waiting for his match with the Crown Prince of Brunei. At this event my head is on a constant swivel because there is so much to see. When I looked over to see what Bustamante was up to i saw Michaela Tabb quaintly sitting next to Django, coffee in hand, having a nice little chat.

I have never seen her in that area before that, she is always walking around making sure everything is running smoothly if not ref'ing a match. Anyway when I first saw it I thought nothing of it.

Our good friend the Prince rolls eight deep when he moves from A to B. Lots of men with black jackets (its hot as hell here in Manila) and ear pieces, family members and attendants. Two matches before any of the Princes' matches, if it's on table one ore two, security comes in and kicks people out of the first two or three rows of seating in the middle (VIP tickets be dammed!) Maybe mid match of the previous match before his, his wife and family members sit down.

So I make sure I get a good seat to see this spectacle, so do the rest of the crowd who are mostly filipinos cheering for their countryman. When they start Francisco clearly, CLEARLY half heartedly losses the lag. Everyone giggles. Then it began. Missing and scratching all over the place. At frist everyone was giggling but it kept on and on. After the fourth rack when it would not stop I walked out and went over to table one, Disgusted. Other friends asked me how it was going and I told them that it was a joke and not to pay any mind to it. It wasn't pool.

And who was the Ref for that match? Michaela of course. Make your own assumptions but it was pretty obvious to me. They wanted the Prince to have a somewhat good time at the event and not be embarrassed on TV by one of the most dangerous players on earth. But it pisses me off when you think about all the REAL pool players who paid entry fees at qualifyers and played their hearts out to try and get a spot. And all the players who fought hard to EARN their spots.

The fact that they would even approach Francisco with a proposition like that and the fact that he went ahead with it, in front of his own people at home just put a bad taste in my mouth. He DID win the match but it was an embarrassment for him and pool in general. I feel that the game is bigger than everyone, even efren, even the money that TV provides. Michael Jordan would always say that nothing is bigger than the game of basketball.

The game should rule as king!

But we don't live in that kind of world I guess.

I paid $120 bucks to see this?
 
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Well said, well said. I am totally agree with you. Looking at his shot, i can say it that it looks "fake". Yes, i do understand Busta did win.....but is it fair to other players in the same group if you allow that "P" guy to win more racks.....
 
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kano said:
I am in Manila watching Worlds. I bought season VIP passes for the entire week. I even flew in from Korea for the event. For the most part the tournament has been fun for me. But I witnessed something first hand a couple of days ago that put a bad taste in my mouth.

I was on the top rung of seats on table two watching a match, can't remember between who, anyway next to table two was the warm up tables. Django Bustamante was up next (on table 2) waiting for his match with the Crown Prince of Brunei. At this event my head is on a constant swivel because there is so much to see. When I looked over to see what Bustamante was up to i saw Michaela Tabb quaintly sitting next to Django, coffee in hand, having a nice little chat.

I have never seen her in that area before that, she is always walking around making sure everything is running smoothly if not ref'ing a match. Anyway when I first saw it I thought nothing of it.

Our good friend the Prince rolls eight deep when he moves from A to B. Lots of men with black jackets (its hot as hell here in Manila) and ear pieces, family members and attendants. Two matches before any of the Princes' matches, if it's on table one ore two, security comes in and kicks people out of the first two or three rows of seating in the middle (VIP tickets be dammed!) Maybe mid match of the previous match before his, his wife and family members sit down.

So I make sure I get a good seat to see this spectacle, so do the rest of the crowd who are mostly filipinos cheering for their countryman. When they start Francisco clearly, CLEARLY half heartedly losses the lag. Everyone giggles. Then it began. Missing and scratching all over the place. At frist everyone was giggling but it kept on and on. After the fourth rack when it would not stop I walked out and went over to table one, Disgusted. Other friends asked me how it was going and I told them that it was a joke and not to pay any mind to it. It wasn't pool.

And who was the Ref for that match? Michaela of course. Make your own assumptions but it was pretty obvious to me. They wanted the Prince to have a somewhat good time at the event and not be embarrassed on TV by one of the most dangerous players on earth. But it pisses me off when you think about all the REAL pool players who paid entry fees at qualifyers and played their hearts out to try and get a spot. And all the players who fought hard to EARN their spots.

The fact that they would even approach Francisco with a proposition like that and the fact that he went ahead with it, in front of his own people at home just put a bad taste in my mouth. He DID win the match but it was an embarrassment for him and pool in general. I feel that the game is bigger than everyone, even efren, even the money that TV provides. Michael Jordan would always say that nothing is bigger than the game of basketball.

The game should rule as king!

But we don't live in that kind of world I guess.

I paid $120 bucks to see this?

Everyone has bad matches. You can not possibly know for sure what he was doing unless you were privy to any conversations beforehand. Django went out in the round 64, so it is not out of the question that he isn't playing well.

Nevertheless he won the match, it's not like he threw it.
 
So, are you saying the prince asked Michella to talk to Django to miss shots on purpose to make the prince look good?

Richard
 
i said on another forum that something interesting will happen when the prince plays. i mean, he is the crown prince of brunei!:eek:

it may not be true the whole scenerio kano is playing out in this post, but im sure the thought of not embarassing the prince did past django's mind. and im damn sure michaela had nothing to do with it. the prince has better clout than that..

other than that, django was playing like crap anyways and got outed in rd 64.
 
psychoblinker said:
i said on another forum that something interesting will happen when the prince plays. i mean, he is the crown prince of brunei!:eek:

it may not be true the whole scenerio kano is playing out in this post, but im sure the thought of not embarassing the prince did past django's mind. and im damn sure michaela had nothing to do with it. the prince has better clout than that..

other than that, django was playing like crap anyways and got outed in rd 64.



Jay Helfert said that Django is sick, that's why we didn't get to see his A game. Check out Jay's thread under the worldpoolchampionship forum.
 
Sprite said:
Well said, well said. I am totally agree with you. Looking at his shot, i can say it that it looks "fake". Yes, i do understand Busta did win.....but it is fair to other players in the same group if you allow that "P" guy to win more racks.....
If you look at the results of Group 10 after day 3, you should notice there is no way mathematically the Prince could have advanced provided Busta wins that last match against the Prince. So even if Busta gives up a few racks here or there, as long as Busta wins that match the Prince would be automatically out of the tournament. Those extra racks won by the prince would be totally inconsequential to Pena and Appleton (Pena already was 3 games ahead of the Prince, and Appleton just needed the match victory to advance).

Who knows how much money the Prince pours into pool each year? If I were Django, I'd probably dump a few racks myself to keep the Prince happy. Of course, it would be another story if those dumped racks had any bearing to Pena or Appleton. I'm sure Django knew the situation before the match, and I'm also sure Django made sure that he won that match (which he did comfortably).
 
I have no idea if there was dumping done or not, but I will say that for a Pro player to be seen sitting in the arena having a nice pleasant chat with one of the referees, esepcially one who will shortly be refereeing the same player, seems an obvious conflict of interest.

Although to be fair if Ms. Tabb wanted to have a nice chat with me I'd probably not really care where or when she wanted to do it either!
 
C'mon people, this is pool you are talking about. Don't expect high morals.

Django was just "doing business".

Besides those people like to cut off heads. They would think nothing of cutting off a pool players hands, let alone his fingers.

Django most likely received a nice payment for his play against the prince and also an invite to join him at his palace a few weeks down the road.
And he will bring a few of his closest friends too.

I think I read somewhere about a year ago where a bunch of Americans were invited to the Prince's Palace. Food, money, women and they even played pool. And from what I heard the Prince was playing outstanding pool, no one ever beat him. Amazing.

Now tell me you would decline that invitation.

Jake
 
May be Busta was promissed that he will have a chance to sleep with one of the HAREM /or Concubines of the Prince if he lets the Prince make some balls on TV.
 
He should have embarrassed him.

Personally, if I had Busta's skill, I would do anything in my power to embarrass any member of royalty. Royalty is a totally outdated concept and wasn't such a great idea before it was outdated. I would have like to have seen the prince totally humiliated and shaking like the rich guy who Fast Eddie smoked in 3-C in the "Hustler". I don't despise the rich as much as the royality except when they act like "the rich". Don't get me going...
 
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The most intelligent response I've read on this particular thread.


jjinfla said:
C'mon people, this is pool you are talking about. Don't expect high morals.

Django was just "doing business".

Besides those people like to cut off heads. They would think nothing of cutting off a pool players hands, let alone his fingers.

Django most likely received a nice payment for his play against the prince and also an invite to join him at his palace a few weeks down the road.
And he will bring a few of his closest friends too.

I think I read somewhere about a year ago where a bunch of Americans were invited to the Prince's Palace. Food, money, women and they even played pool. And from what I heard the Prince was playing outstanding pool, no one ever beat him. Amazing.

Now tell me you would decline that invitation.

Jake
 
gopi-1 said:
Jay Helfert said that Django is sick, that's why we didn't get to see his A game. Check out Jay's thread under the worldpoolchampionship forum.

You might want to read that thread a little more closely. Jay also said this:

Jay Helfert said:
And Francisco's match with the Prince on TV had to be pulled after a few games because Busty was giving him games. It looked BAD! There is talk that someone in the Brunei contingent is paying these guys off to dump games. He has a 36 person entourage here, and is treated like royalty by all present

Cheers,
RC
 
Playing off

I as a pool player would be insulted if I did not get my opponents best game. If he does not play his best against me why play at all I thought that was the reason for playing better opponents.
 
Poolhalljunkie said:
I as a pool player would be insulted if I did not get my opponents best game. If he does not play his best against me why play at all I thought that was the reason for playing better opponents.
True but the Prince might be pathogical.:eek:
 
Poolhalljunkie said:
I as a pool player would be insulted if I did not get my opponents best game. If he does not play his best against me why play at all I thought that was the reason for playing better opponents.

I would be as well. You know the old saying "who's going to tell the emperor he has no clothes on". This must be "who's going to demostrate to the prince he sucks".
I've got an idea he can buy the IPT and payout big money win or lose, then all the participants can dump to him so he wins and keep it going.
 
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catscradle said:
I would be as well. You know the old saying "who's going to tell the emperor he has no clothes on". This must be "who's going to demostrate to the prince he sucks".
I've got an idea he can buy the IPT and payout big money win or lose, then all the participants can dump to him so he wins and keep it going.

I have no idea how rich the prince is, but if somebody like him could take over the IPT (or maybe fund a tour of his own), it would obviously do the sport a lot of good.....so dump a few games to him, if it would make him happy and be more interested in the game.....we all know if Django just blew past him without giving him a chance, it would be an unpleasant and maybe embarrassing situation for him, which might discourage him and sour him to the game itself.....you gotta look at the big picture.....
 
wahcheck said:
I have no idea how rich the prince is, but if somebody like him could take over the IPT (or maybe fund a tour of his own), it would obviously do the sport a lot of good.....so dump a few games to him, if it would make him happy and be more interested in the game.....we all know if Django just blew past him without giving him a chance, it would be an unpleasant and maybe embarrassing situation for him, which might discourage him and sour him to the game itself.....you gotta look at the big picture.....
The dudes father was listed at one time as the richest man on the planet.
 
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