Tier One - Dennis, Alex, Lee Vann, Carlo, Francisco, Chua, De Luna, Ignacio, Kiamco. Lining maybe.
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My current top 15 rotation players
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Tier One - Dennis, Alex, Lee Vann, Carlo, Francisco, Chua, De Luna, Ignacio, Kiamco. Lining maybe.
Oscar said he thinks Jeffrey DeLuna might be the best out of all the Pinoy players i know he has a killer 10 ball break.
None of those players are from my area and I'm no professional or anything that list was simply MY opinion based on what I see with my eyes. I'd love to know the 5 people on that list not in the top 50, I honestly feel like that statement is a bit ridiculous but to each their own.
For what it's worth I am a huge fan of Bergman and Sky but how does someone expect to be considered a top player if they never travel or win major tournaments? If Bergman played in more tournaments he would def be in there imo and Sky's damn close to getting there.
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Have you seen his more recent matches, though? It seems he packed on about 20 pounds and his game is a lot more erratic, not the quality we're used to from him. At least in the more recent videos I'm seeing.
I knew I was leaving someone out. Jeff is Tier One and yes he has a break to match Shane. He isn't looking to match up with Dennis or Alex though. :wink:
I find it significant that JBerg makes the list when it's based on performance rather than
opinion....all the more so when the fact that he hasn't had a lot of international finishes
to pump up his standings is considered.
I also find it significant that number two on the Fargo list has no world titles.....
...but nobody is beating a path to his door to play him rotation.
I also believe he's a future world champion. I really like his pace when he shoots. He's the Filipino Jason Shaw, fast and fearless.
Samnylane funny... You have no clue about pool. Stick to reading on the Internet and let me play. I'm not saying I am one of the best players but I'll bet you don't know shit about pool.
I've played US Open 3 times, never played a World 9 Ball why would I? They have tournaments in Missouri that pay better than the World 9 ball and you don't have to go to Qatar to play. The qualifiers for the World is harder than the actual tournament. But you're pool expert & know everything
You should say you're one of the best players because you are. After Shane, you're the best American rotation player and certainly have a decent chance against any one you play
Thanks West Coast I appreciate it. I just don't like when people act like they know what's going and have no clue. It's like me telling a car mechanic how to fix my car when I have no clue and arguing about it. Some people just don't listen... I promise I listen more because I like learning. Some people just like to be right & think they know everything. Big problem for me is I don't go to enough tournaments because 95 percent aren't worth going to, races to 7, 9, or 11 don't really like it for me I feel I'm a little slow starter and don't have a great break, and it's so much luck at the pro level. You can lose to someone that you're 3 speeds above very easily...Race to 9 playing 9 or 10 ball is like playing 3 holes of golf or like a tennis math first one to 5 points wins the whole set... Maybe even a bigger joke than that since at least in tennis you have a chance to defend every point... Pool a guy breaks gets easy outs his 5 breaks, then you hang the 10 ball or dry beak or make 4 balls and have no shot.. Well he can miss 5 times and you play perfect and lose... Race to 21 or 30 or 80 it will even out for the most part.
I keep hearing about the short races , yet the upper level players fade the luck factor and finish high on a pretty consistent level in big events ,,
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I've been going to pro tournaments for over forty years and all I can say is that playing Races to Eleven always weeds out the best players. By the time it got down to the final eight, there were no shortstops left and the top players seemed to always win.
My generation was dominated by Mike Sigel, Buddy Hall, Nick Varner and Steve Mizerak until Earl, Efren and Parica came along. The next group of contenders included Kim Davenport, David Howard, Wade Crane, Jim Rempe and Allen Hopkins. There were other good players like Danny Medina, Billy Incardona, Jimmy Reid, Louie Roberts, Jim Fusco, Jeff Carter, Hawaiian Brian, Keith (when he played), Jimmy Mataya, Mike Massey and Jay Swanson but they rarely won any tournaments, being content with a top five or ten finish. The winning player almost always came from the elite group of players. Notice all the top players were American, until the Philippine invasion began.
There were no super long challenge matches back then, but there were definitely money games at every tournament. Most money games were either a Race to Eleven, or if it was really big money they might play Ten Ahead. I suspect Justin Bergman would do well in the latter type of match because you really have to beat someone to win. It can take fifty or one hundred games to get there!
The big ring games were almost always Ten Ball and that was the only time you saw Ten Ball played for the most part. Just a little historical perspective.
Of course One Pocket was equally popular for money games and the best players needed to be able to play both.
P.S. In the 70's and 80's the first prize in most large tournaments was $10,000 with a few paying $15-25,000! That was serious money back then! Doesn't look like we've progressed very far in this country. Maybe that's why we don't have many of the top players anymore. The big money events are almost all overseas now.
My generation was dominated by Mike Sigel, Buddy Hall, Nick Varner and Steve Mizerak until Earl, Efren and Parica came along. The next group of contenders included Kim Davenport, David Howard, Wade Crane, Jim Rempe and Allen Hopkins. There were other good players like Danny Medina, Billy Incardona, Jimmy Reid, Louie Roberts, Jim Fusco, Jeff Carter, Hawaiian Brian, Keith (when he played), Jimmy Mataya, Mike Massey and Jay Swanson but they rarely won any tournaments, being content with a top five or ten finish. The winning player almost always came from the elite group of players. Notice all the top players were American, until the Philippine invasion began.
There were no super long challenge matches back then, but there were definitely money games at every tournament. Most money games were either a Race to Eleven, or if it was really big money they might play Ten Ahead. I suspect Justin Bergman would do well in the latter type of match because you really have to beat someone to win. It can take fifty or one hundred games to get there!
The big ring games were almost always Ten Ball and that was the only time you saw Ten Ball played for the most part. Just a little historical perspective.
Of course One Pocket was equally popular for money games and the best players needed to be able to play both.
P.S. In the 70's and 80's the first prize in most large tournaments was $10,000 with a few paying $15-25,000! That was serious money back then! Doesn't look like we've progressed very far in this country. Maybe that's why we don't have many of the top players anymore. The big money events are almost all overseas now.
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JBerg- lots of people know you are a solid dude and a great player, but dont say it.
It has been proven MANY times that humans are more likely to share negative opinions than positive ones. Whatcha gonna do?
Dont sweat the little shit.
It has been proven MANY times that humans are more likely to share negative opinions than positive ones. Whatcha gonna do?
Dont sweat the little shit.
I agree 100% and I wasn't knocking you by any means I was just basing my list on players that seem to be at every tournament nowadays. It is just not worth it to travel and play pool in today's day and age. My best friend Shorty is a mid level pro and he refuses to travel to tournaments now too. If it is a local tournament he will play other wise he stays home.
Yeah for sure.. I know Shorty I think. Tom D? He plays good and would probably beat half the "pros" that are in the top 20 U.S. Mosconi Cup points list.
Yeah, it'd take a damn good player to beat shorty.
Yea that's him, Tom D'Alfonso. He just can't survive with all the travel expenses, he is lucky to break even on most trips.He tells me all the time it just ain't worth it and he is like you he wants to play all day not 1 short set.