The perfect tip.....

genomachino · Apr 2, 2010

:idea:
I WANT TO SHARE THIS WITH FELLOW AZERS.

SOME WILL JUST LOOK AND SAY YA RIGHT.:shrug:

WHILE OTHERS WILL TAKE HEED AND HAVE THE BEST TIP THEY HAVE EVER HAD ON THEIR CUE.:welcome: THIS IS FOR YOU GUYS.............

FIRST GET YOURSELF A BOX OF TRIANGLE TIPS. ABOUT 35.00 OR SO. DON'T WORRY. AFTER YOU PUT THIS TIP ON LIKE I TELL YOU THIS WILL BE THE ONLY TIP YOU WILL USE. 50 IN A BOX............

GET ONE OF THOSE TOOLS TO FLATTEN THE FERUL. GET SOME 220 AND 400 WET DRY SAND PAPER. GET A 1X2 INCH BOARD AND CUT SOME 5 INCH PIECES. MAKE ABOUT 5 OF THESE PIECES.

CUT THE 220 SAND PAPER AND WRAP IT AROUND THE PIECES OF WOOD. MAKE SURE IT IS REALLY TIGHT AND THEN STAPLE THEM SECURE. MAKE A COUPLE OF 220 AND 400. THIS IS THE ONLY TOOL THAT YOU WILL USE ON YOUR TIP TO SHAPE OR SAND DOWN THE SIDES.

GET SOME DURA BOND 2 PART EPOXY. ALSO GET SOME DUCT TAPE.

1 PREPARE YOUR FERUL BY MAKING IT FLAT. THERE IS A TOOL THAT FITS ON YOUR SHAFT WITH A FLAT WHEEL TO DO THIS.

2 TAKE A PIECE OF DUCT TAPE AND WRAP IT AROUND THE FERUL SO YOU WON'T GET ANY GLUE ON THER FERUL.

3 TAKE A TIP AND HAVE THE SAND PAPER ON A FLAT SURFACE RUBBING THE TIP BACK AND FORTH TO JUST GET RID OF THE HARD SURFACE ON THE BOTTOM.

4 MIX THE EPOXY TOGETHER. PUSH OUT 2 SPOTS OF GLUE ABOUT THE SIZE OF DIMES. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GET A 50/50 MIX.

5 MIX IT AND LET IT SIT FOR ABOUT 2 MINUTES AND THEN PUT SOME IN THE FERUL AND THE TIP.

6 NOW JUST SET THE TIP ON THE FERUL BUT USE VERY LITTLE PRESSURE. KEEP AN EYE ON IT TO MAKE SURE THE TIP STAYS CENTERED ON THE FERUL. SOON THE EPOXY WILL GET STIFF AND WILL STAY WHERE YOU WANT IT TO STAY. LET IT DRY FOR 1/2 HOUR TO AN HOUR.

7. TAKE YOUR BLOCK OF WOOD WITH THE 220 SAND PAPER AND SAND ON THE SIDE ON THE TIP KIND OF LIKE YOU ARE USEING A FINGERNAIL FILE. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE IT ANGLED A LITTLE BIT SO YOU DON'T HIT YOUR SHAFT WITH THE SANDPAPER. THE DUCT TAPE WILL HELP PROTECT YOUR SHAFT. IT'S OK TO HAVE IT ANGLED IN AT THIS POINT. WE ARE JUST GOING TO GET IT CLOSE TO THE RIGHT SIZE WITH THE 220.

8 NOW TAKE OFF THE DUCT TAPE AND YOU WILL SEE HOW FAR YOU HAVE LEFT TO GO WITH YOUR SANDING. USE THE 400 SANDING BLOCK AND TAKE YOUR TIME. SANDING IT THE SAME WAY UNTIL YOU ARE PRETTY EVEN WITH THE FERUL ALL THE WAY AROUND. WHEN IT GETS CLOSE I KEEP FEELING WITH MY FINGERS AS WELL AS LOOKING TO SEE WHERE I NEED TO SAND ONCE IT GETS REAL CLOSE.

9. HAVE ONE BLOCK OF WOOD WITH SOME FINE SANDPAPER ON IT. LIKE 800 GRIT. USE THIS TO SAND THE EDGE AT THE END. THE IDEA IS TO MAKE IT AS SMOOTH AS POSSIBLE.

10 NOW USE SOME 1000 OR 1200 GRIT SANDPAPER AND CLEAN UP THE SHAFT. KIND OF LIKE YOUR SHINING YOUR SHOES WITH A LONG RAG. HIT THE FERUL AND THE EDGE OF THE TIP WITH THIS ALSO.

11 NOW USE SOME OIL ON THE SIDE ON THE TIP. YOU WILL FIND THIS ON YOUR NOSE OR BEHIND YOUR EARS. THIS OIL IS FREE AND WORKS GOOD. AFTER YOU HAVE THE EDGE COVERED WITH OIL YOU NEED TO LICK YOUR FINGER AND WET THE EDGE OF THE TIP. USING A PIECE OF BROWN CARDBOARD WRAPPED AROUND YOUR SHAFT GO UP AND DOWN FAIRLY FAST TO BURNISH THE EGDE. YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO THIS 2 OR 3 TIMES.

12. NOW TAKE YOUR 220 SANDING BLOCK AND SLOWLY SHAPE THE ROUNDNESS OF YOUR TIP. IT WILL BE PRETTY HIGH AT FIRST.
YOU CAN SHOOT WITH IT HIGH OR YOU CAN SAND IT DOWN TO ABOUT HALF OR SOMEWHERES INBETWEEN.

13. USE A TIP PICK TO MAKE SMALL LITTLE HOLE, CHALK THE TIP AND REPEAT THIS ABOUT 4 OR 5 TIMES. SHOOT SOME BALLS BUT KEEP THE TIP CHALKED REAL GOOD. YOU MIGHT MISCUE A COUPLE OF TIMES BUT SOON THE TIP WILL WORK REAL GOOD.

EXPLAINATION OF WHY I DO WHAT I DO.

1 THE EPOXY ALMOST WORKS LIKE A PAD. IT WILL NOT COME LOOSE. MANY OF THE TIPS THAT YOU TAKE OFF THAT WERE DONE WITH SUPER GLUE OR GEL ARE ONLY HALF HOLDING THE TIP EVENTUALLY. THIS WILL RESULT IN BAD PERFORMANCE AND YOU WON'T EVEN KNOW WHY. YOU THINK YOU DID IT WHEN ALL ALONG THE TIP WAS HALF OR 1/4 LOOSE. THE TIP EXPANDS AS IT COMPRESSES. THIS IS WHY THE TIPS KIND OF LOOSEN WITH SUPER GLUE OR GEL. SOME PEOPLE SWEAR BY SUPER GLUE OR GEL. IF THEY ONLY KNEW THE DIFFERENCE FOR REAL.

2 WHEN USEING A LATHE OR EVEN A RAZOR BLADE TO CUT DOWN THE SIDE OF THE TIP IT TEARS AND DESTROYS THE GRAIN OF THE LEATHER. IN FACT AFTER YOU CUT THE TIP SOMETIMES YOU CAN PULL IT UP LIKE AN ACCORDIAN. IT CAN BE FIXED AFTER THAT BY WETTING THE EDGE AND BURNISHING THE EDGE ON THE LATHE BUT NOW YOU HAVE A TIP THAT IS VERY HARD AND BRITTLE ON THE EDGE. JUST WHAT YOU DON'T WANT. NOW WHEN YOU SHOOT FOR A FEW HOURS IT STARTS TO MUSHROOM AND FLATTEN. MANY PLAYERS THINK THEY JUST GOT A BAD TIP WHEN IN REALITY THE TIP WAS RUINED BY THE WAY IT WAS SHAPED AND CUT DOWN.
WHEN YOU SAND THE TIP DOWN SLOWLY LIKE I TELL YOU THE SIDES WILL STILL BE PLENTY FIRM YET STILL SOFT AND PLIABLE. YOU REALLY DON'T NEED TO BURNISH IT AND IT WILL KEEP ITS SHAPE FOR A LONG TIME.
YOU WILL FIND OUT BY DOING IT THIS WAY THAT ALL THE TIPS ARE GOOD.....THERE REALLY ARE NO BAD TIPS.

3. FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THIS AND YOU WILL SEE FOR YOURSELF HOW WELL THIS WORKS. I'VE USED THE LAYERED TIPS MYSELF AND I WOULD GET TOO MUCH STUFF AND MISS EASY SHOTS OR SHAPE ON ACCOUNT OF IT. THE TRIANGLE TIP IS VERY CONSISTENT IF IT IS PUT ON AS I SAY. YOU NEED TO TRY THIS.

I WILL MAKE A LITTLE VIDEO AS SOON AS MY SHOULDER GETS OUT OF THE SLING. THIS WILL NOT ONLY SAVE YOU MONEY BUT GIVE YOU A TIP THAT PLAYS SO CONSISTENT YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT.

FOR NOW THIS IS THE BEST I CAN DO.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YOU CAN CALL ME.715-563-8712 AND I'LL HELP WITH WHAT I CAN.

TRY THIS YOU'LL BE GLAD YOU DID. TRUST ME.......................

GOOD LUCK.............:clapping::dance::happydance:

gwjackal · Apr 2, 2010

If you are going to do as geno says, do not use DUCT TAPE! Use the blue painters tape as it will not leave any residue on your shaft. I would also reccomend pressing the triangle before installation. The smoother the bottom of the tip is the more consistent it will be right out of the box. If it is rough those sre the ones ones that I usually throw out. With the epoxy I would also suggest using a bit of water on the tip and shaft to allow it to be absorbed by both materials. I would also swirl the tip on the shaft to ensure a good mix and complete coverage.

Also if you take a block of wood and drill a hole in it the size of your shaft or just a hair bigger and then cut that block in half you will be able to sand the tip more precise one you insert the sandpaper in the groove. You can also do the same for a great tip shaper! Get the sanding paper that goes on a power sander!

Everything above is just my opinion and a devitation to genos word. I don't agree with this method but it does work and I did it for several years. Putting a tip on with a lathe the right way does work but there are several hacks that think they know how to do it.

Geno great write up and I hope you get better soon, I have shoulder issues so I feel your pain.

Tramp Steamer · Apr 2, 2010

This is the second of two threads that have shown up during the past few days extolling the virtues of self-installed cue tips.
While I believe that a person has every right to put the tip of their choice on the end of their own cue, I am loathe to sit here and read that by following a few simple steps that involve epoxy and duct tape, the 'perfect tip' can be installed. Especially if they are done by some mysterious old man who hangs around the mens room in a poolhall.
These claims are patently false and I am very much surprised that some of our cuemakers/cue repairers haven't spoken up about it.
There is a common theme that runs through this forum and that is the support we players give to those who make a living from the games we play. The pros, the room owners, the cuemakers, the retailers, et al. If one of you is too cheap to have a ten dollar tip installed then so be it. I say if you want it done right, and if you want it to look as if it came from the factory, have your friendly neighborhood cue repair person install your tip the right way.

phishman · Apr 2, 2010

Tramp Steamer said:
This is the second of two threads that have shown up during the past few days extolling the virtues of self-installed cue tips.
While I believe that a person has every right to put the tip of their choice on the end of their own cue, I am loathe to sit here and read that by following a few simple steps that involve epoxy and duct tape, the 'perfect tip' can be installed. Especially if they are done by some mysterious old man who hangs around the mens room in a poolhall.
These claims are patently false and I am very much surprised that some of our cuemakers/cue repairers haven't spoken up about it.
There is a common theme that runs through this forum and that is the support we players give to those who make a living from the games we play. The pros, the room owners, the cuemakers, the retailers, et al. If one of you is too cheap to have a ten dollar tip installed then so be it. I say if you want it done right, and if you want it to look as if it came from the factory, have your friendly neighborhood cue repair person install your tip the right way.

What he said!!!!

just kick'n · Apr 2, 2010

Yeah, man. This sounds great!

Telling a novice to install his own tip is a bit reckless, I think. How many people are going to be stuck with a box a triangle tips, apoxy up and down their shaft, a screwed up ferrule, and a lop-sided tip with nose oil and probably snot dripping off the side. lmao!!

CocoboloCowboy · Apr 2, 2010

I tend to use the services of a Pro to put on a TIP, as I am a Clutz, and it is cheaper then the NEED REPAIR WHEN I GOOF. I do supply my own Tips, as then the Repairman is never out of my favorite tip.

pooltchr · Apr 2, 2010

Tramp Steamer said:
This is the second of two threads that have shown up during the past few days extolling the virtues of self-installed cue tips.
While I believe that a person has every right to put the tip of their choice on the end of their own cue, I am loathe to sit here and read that by following a few simple steps that involve epoxy and duct tape, the 'perfect tip' can be installed. Especially if they are done by some mysterious old man who hangs around the mens room in a poolhall.
These claims are patently false and I am very much surprised that some of our cuemakers/cue repairers haven't spoken up about it.
There is a common theme that runs through this forum and that is the support we players give to those who make a living from the games we play. The pros, the room owners, the cuemakers, the retailers, et al. If one of you is too cheap to have a ten dollar tip installed then so be it. I say if you want it done right, and if you want it to look as if it came from the factory, have your friendly neighborhood cue repair person install your tip the right way.

Greenies for you!

Steve

danquixote · Apr 2, 2010

Tramp Steamer said:
This is the second of two threads that have shown up during the past few days extolling the virtues of self-installed cue tips.
While I believe that a person has every right to put the tip of their choice on the end of their own cue, I am loathe to sit here and read that by following a few simple steps that involve epoxy and duct tape, the 'perfect tip' can be installed. Especially if they are done by some mysterious old man who hangs around the mens room in a poolhall.
These claims are patently false and I am very much surprised that some of our cuemakers/cue repairers haven't spoken up about it.
There is a common theme that runs through this forum and that is the support we players give to those who make a living from the games we play. The pros, the room owners, the cuemakers, the retailers, et al. If one of you is too cheap to have a ten dollar tip installed then so be it. I say if you want it done right, and if you want it to look as if it came from the factory, have your friendly neighborhood cue repair person install your tip the right way.

I'm not taking sides here, I DO install my own tips, but would agree that it is far eaiser to read the process than it is to accomplish it correctly. Think back on those christmas toys that contained the dreaded phrase.....Some Assembly Required, instructions included. We all know it took you 3 rebuilds untill the damn thing was assembled right. Same with tip installation......you probably ain't gonna get it right the first time. IMHO learning this process and how to do it correctly is a great investment of your time for someone that like to work with their hands. If you are in danger of blinding yourself whenever you pick up a screwdriver......then it is a task best left to a specialist.

Now some of what I agree with and disagree with. I do think tips can be destroyed or damaged by using a lathe. It does take time to learn the right amount of pressure and the proper turning speed to insure heat generated does not get so high it ruins the integrity of the leather....but a number of folks have learned to do this and install tips that will perform as well as any that were hand sanded. I disagree with the theory that 2 part epoxy is better than supergel. I have used everything from tweetens to superglue. IMHO if the adhesive of choice is evenly distributed and properly cured all will perform well....2 part epoxys are not all the same.....some cure brittle, some cure with a certain amount of flex. I use the supergels now because they apply so much easier. I have not had any tips pop off during play, and have only had 2 pop off while using the porper tip burnisher ( known for its ability to snap tips ) which I abandoned in favor of the magic nose oil and a $20 bill.......Dan

mudball · Apr 2, 2010

Steps to the perfect tip;

1. Remove shaft from butt of cue.

2. Give shaft to Joe Blackburn.

It's that simple.

pvc lou · Apr 2, 2010

what is nose oil? is it wet boogers?

danquixote · Apr 2, 2010

Nose oil

john galt said:
what is nose oil? is it wet boogers?

It is the same oily secretions that caused acne when ya hit puberty and the body continues to produce throughout life. rub the side of your nose with a clean pencil eraser.....see how shiny it gets......thats magic nose oil, it is yours, there is none other like it....use it as God intended....BURNISH YOUR TIPS.....

RRfireblade · Apr 2, 2010

My tip is perfect and I didn't do any of that.

TheBook · Apr 2, 2010

Tramp Steamer said:
There is a common theme that runs through this forum and that is the support we players give to those who make a living from the games we play. The pros, the room owners, the cuemakers, the retailers, et al. If one of you is too cheap to have a ten dollar tip installed then so be it. I say if you want it done right, and if you want it to look as if it came from the factory, have your friendly neighborhood cue repair person install your tip the right way.

Totally agree. I spend over $1,000 for a cue and and going to ruin it to save $10 for installation.

And what am I going to do with 50 tips? I don't change tips every day or month and I don't like Triangles. I have had the same Tiger Everest on my cue for over a year and it is still in good shape. So his proposal is not the perfect tip for me.

dr9ball · Apr 2, 2010

Tramp Steamer said:
This is the second of two threads that have shown up during the past few days extolling the virtues of self-installed cue tips.
While I believe that a person has every right to put the tip of their choice on the end of their own cue, I am loathe to sit here and read that by following a few simple steps that involve epoxy and duct tape, the 'perfect tip' can be installed. Especially if they are done by some mysterious old man who hangs around the mens room in a poolhall.
These claims are patently false and I am very much surprised that some of our cuemakers/cue repairers haven't spoken up about it.
There is a common theme that runs through this forum and that is the support we players give to those who make a living from the games we play. The pros, the room owners, the cuemakers, the retailers, et al. If one of you is too cheap to have a ten dollar tip installed then so be it. I say if you want it done right, and if you want it to look as if it came from the factory, have your friendly neighborhood cue repair person install your tip the right way.

I've been installing my own tips for 20 years by hand. I've re-tipped a few hundred other cues along the way. I don't see the need to pay someone to do what I can do myself. I certainly don't see the need to charge someone $40 for a new tip even if it's a Mori or Kamui etc. I'm just going to have to disagree with you this time.

RiverCity · Apr 2, 2010

I am a HUGE advocate of installing tips without lathes if need be. However, to say that using a lathe is worse, or will damage the tip is BS, plain and simple. Most of what your thread on how to install the "perfect" tip is incorrect too and will result in people who dont know any better damaging their cues.
Chuck

9ball · Apr 2, 2010

Tramp Steamer said:
This is the second of two threads that have shown up during the past few days extolling the virtues of self-installed cue tips.
While I believe that a person has every right to put the tip of their choice on the end of their own cue, I am loathe to sit here and read that by following a few simple steps that involve epoxy and duct tape, the 'perfect tip' can be installed. Especially if they are done by some mysterious old man who hangs around the mens room in a poolhall.
These claims are patently false and I am very much surprised that some of our cuemakers/cue repairers haven't spoken up about it.
There is a common theme that runs through this forum and that is the support we players give to those who make a living from the games we play. The pros, the room owners, the cuemakers, the retailers, et al. If one of you is too cheap to have a ten dollar tip installed then so be it. I say if you want it done right, and if you want it to look as if it came from the factory, have your friendly neighborhood cue repair person install your tip the right way.

IDIOTS ALL OF YOU! I AM SICK AND TIRED OF ALL OF YOUR PETTY LITTLE WHINING!

GENO IS JUST GIVING OUT SOME ADVICE TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT!. I AM SURE MOST ARE SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW FOR THEMSELVES IF THEY CAN FOLLOW HIS ADVICE OR NOT!

NO WONDER AZ IS LOSING VALUED MEMBERS ALL THE TIME,TOO MANY BITTER POSTERS ALWAYS TRYING TO BELITTLE SOMEONE ELSES EFFORTS TO HELP OUT FELLOW AZERS!

NOW! I AM GOING TO SAY WAHT IAM SURE OTHERS WANT TO SAY ON HERE!

I BET MOST OF YOU ARE SORRY LITTLE PI$$ A$$ PLAYERS ANYHOW!

SO SHUT THE F#%k UP FOR ONCE AND LISTEN!

I AM SO SICK OF ALL THE A$$HOLES ON AZ I AM ABOUT READY TO LEAVE!

If you don`t want to put on your own tip then go pay 40.00 to get one installed your choice

GENO IS JUST TRYING TO SHOW YOU AN OLD SCHOOL METHOD THAT WORKS!

BUT THE POINT IS TAKE THE ADVICE OR LEAVE IT ITS YOUR CHOICE!

JUST SICK AND TIRED!!!

THANKS TO ALL OF YOU WHO RUINED AZ FOR ME! THANKS JERKS!!!:angry:

H.P.

genomachino · Apr 2, 2010

Sorry you feel that way............

tramp steamer said:
this is the second of two threads that have shown up during the past few days extolling the virtues of self-installed cue tips.
While i believe that a person has every right to put the tip of their choice on the end of their own cue, i am loathe to sit here and read that by following a few simple steps that involve epoxy and duct tape, the 'perfect tip' can be installed. Especially if they are done by some mysterious old man who hangs around the mens room in a poolhall.
These claims are patently false and i am very much surprised that some of our cuemakers/cue repairers haven't spoken up about it.
There is a common theme that runs through this forum and that is the support we players give to those who make a living from the games we play. The pros, the room owners, the cuemakers, the retailers, et al. If one of you is too cheap to have a ten dollar tip installed then so be it. I say if you want it done right, and if you want it to look as if it came from the factory, have your friendly neighborhood cue repair person install your tip the right way.

hi there,

i'm not trying to take any business away from anyone. Putting a tip on is not rocket science but there are certain ways that they can be ruined before you hit a ball. The tips i'm talking about are the ones that have a grain. Like the le pro and triangle.

I think the layered tips are fine because there is no grain. But if the lathe is turning to fast you can still burnish them until the side is brittle. NoT the best for a tip that you want a little soft and flexible.

I'm not an expert but when i get 4 tips put on at a tournament 5 years ago and everyone feels and sounds like i'm hitting the ball with cement and i miscue 5 times in my match and still lose on the hill to chad vomont that sucks.

Then i try to play with them for the next 2 days with less success that 's enough for me.

Many cue makers and repair guys understand this and they are very careful not to burnish the sides to fast so they don't burn the leather turning it into cement.

There is a reason one guy that repairs cues has such good repeat business from many great players. They know he knows his stuff.

All i tried to do here is to share what really works good for me and for my friends that i do this for.

This does save me money but that's not the point. I just want a tip that is going to do what i want it to do when i want it to do it.

And right now triangle is the only tip i would recommend playing with if it is put on in this manner. And the price has nothing to do with it.

This is just my opinion. But how do you know unless you try it.

If you did try it and played with it for about a week you would see what i mean and what the old man knew.

Have a great day geno...............

JustinHayes · Apr 2, 2010

9ball!

Chill out!

The only thing worse than your over reation to the differing opinions on this thread is that you're the second person to post in ALL CAPS! :angry:

It's okay... we all know you're on Geno's tip because of the dvd posts... I agree that he's giving decent advice.. but you don't have to get all upset about other people suggesting having a professional cue repair person put on a tip since they have a lot of experience doing it.

genomachino · Apr 2, 2010

I totally agree............

cocobolocowboy said:
i tend to use the services of a pro to put on a tip, as i am a clutz, and it is cheaper then the need repair when i goof. I do supply my own tips, as then the repairman is never out of my favorite tip.

some of us know this wouldn't be for them and i agree.

And they might cause damage.

Many tip guys are great and do a wonderful job and we all need them.

9ball · Apr 2, 2010

JustinHayes said:
9ball!

Chill out!

The only thing worse than your over reation to the differing opinions on this thread is that you're the second person to post in ALL CAPS! :angry:

It's okay... we all know you're on Geno's tip because of the dvd posts... I agree that he's giving decent advice.. but you don't have to get all upset about other people suggesting having a professional cue repair person put on a tip since they have a lot of experience doing it.

It s not just this post! Thats what I`m talking about! You got 98 post, stick around awhile you will see what I mean. H.P.

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