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Jay:
Quote:No offense Grady, but Ronnie won the One Pocket at Red's in 1985. I was his backer and he beat Jeff Carter in the finals. You may have won it in 1986. I didn't go back the next year.

I guess my winning trophy for the Red's One Pocket is a misprint as it clearly says 1985. (See following photo.)

Cuetechasaurus' quote:
We all know you don't like Efren and never have.

That wasn't a nice thing to say and it is completely untrue. The photo (that follows) of my 2nd place finish in Virginia Beach in 1985 proves that I was at the tournament where Efren had his passport taken and was arrested. Shortly after this tournament, I offered to help Efren with his Visa problems and helping him with anything he might need in the US.
This tournament holds a special place in my memory because I lost my first match to David Howard 10-2 and then won 9 matches in a row including victories over Dave Bowman, Mike Lebron, Steve Mizerak, and other notables.
I have never been anti any ethnic group or country. What I have been is pro American. It has always bothered me, although I never said so, that the Billys and the Freddies of the pool world would pull against me when I'd play an Efren.
I may be the only player who has defeated Efren, Parica, Buddy, Bugs, Ronnie Allen, Artie from Chicago and a host of others, playing them all even and betting my own money.
 
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Jay:
Quote:No offense Grady, but Ronnie won the One Pocket at Red's in 1985. I was his backer and he beat Jeff Carter in the finals. You may have won it in 1986. I didn't go back the next year.

I guess my winning trophy for the Red's One Pocket is a misprint as it clearly says 1985. (See following photo.)
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Grady said:
Cuetechasaurus' quote:
We all know you don't like Efren and never have.

That wasn't a nice thing to say and it is completely untrue. The photo (that follows) of my 2nd place finish in Virginia Beach in 1985 proves that I was at the tournament where Efren had his passport taken and was arrested. Shortly after this tournament, I offered to help Efren with his Visa problems and helping him with anything he might need in the US.
This tournament holds a special place in my memory because I lost my first match to David Howard 10-2 and then won 9 matches in a row including victories over Dave Bowman, Mike Lebron, Steve Mizerak, and other notables.
I have never been anti any ethnic group or country. What I have been is pro American. It has always bothered me, although I never said so, that the Billys and the Freddies of the pool world would pull against me when I'd play an Efren.
I may be the only player who has defeated Efren, Parica, Buddy, Bugs, Ronnie Allen, Artie from Chicago and a host of others, playing them all even and betting my own money.
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Grady said:
Jay:
Quote:No offense Grady, but Ronnie won the One Pocket at Red's in 1985. I was his backer and he beat Jeff Carter in the finals. You may have won it in 1986. I didn't go back the next year.

I guess my winning trophy for the Red's One Pocket is a misprint as it clearly says 1985. (See following photo.)

Cuetechasaurus' quote:
We all know you don't like Efren and never have.

That wasn't a nice thing to say and it is completely untrue. The photo (that follows) of my 2nd place finish in Virginia Beach in 1985 proves that I was at the tournament where Efren had his passport taken and was arrested. Shortly after this tournament, I offered to help Efren with his Visa problems and helping him with anything he might need in the US.
This tournament holds a special place in my memory because I lost my first match to David Howard 10-2 and then won 9 matches in a row including victories over Dave Bowman, Mike Lebron, Steve Mizerak, and other notables.
I have never been anti any ethnic group or country. What I have been is pro American. It has always bothered me, although I never said so, that the Billys and the Freddies of the pool world would pull against me when I'd play an Efren.
I may be the only player who has defeated Efren, Parica, Buddy, Bugs, Ronnie Allen, Artie from Chicago and a host of others, playing them all even and betting my own money.
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I don't see why you are playing the race card when I wasn't. I just pointed out that you have always seemed to have something against Efren for a long time. I've saw it in your 'after hours' gambling match where you lost against him and complained that he got lucky (which he didn't), I've listened to it in your many commentaries (even though I enjoy your commentary), and I've read it in your posts. I never said you have anything against anyone of another race. I know you aren't like that. I said that you just don't like Efren, and alot of people know that you don't like him.
 
I believe its the Daulton/Deuel one pocket match (Deuel hardbreaks) on which Grady does commentary and tells of how Deuel asked him how to get better or to the next level.

Grady tells him to get some money together and gamble rotation with Efren which Corey did. If Grady doesn't like him (which I don't believe) he at the very least respects the hell out of him.

Page 73 of Grady's autobiography shows him being presented the trophy for the '85 Red's One Pocket by Scott Smith and Red Walling.
 
Good point. And not only that, but I believe that in the same tape Grady raved about Deuels 9-ball game and how he felt he was the best 9-ball player at that time. Pretty nice things to say. I never got the feeling from Grady that there was any dislike whatsoever.

Regards,

Doug


bud green said:
I believe its the Daulton/Deuel one pocket match (Deuel hardbreaks) on which Grady does commentary and tells of how Deuel asked him how to get better or to the next level.

Grady tells him to get some money together and gamble rotation with Efren which Corey did. If Grady doesn't like him (which I don't believe) he at the very least respects the hell out of him.

Page 73 of Grady's autobiography shows him being presented the trophy for the '85 Red's One Pocket by Scott Smith and Red Walling.
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Grady said:
Jay:
Quote:No offense Grady, but Ronnie won the One Pocket at Red's in 1985. I was his backer and he beat Jeff Carter in the finals. You may have won it in 1986. I didn't go back the next year.

I guess my winning trophy for the Red's One Pocket is a misprint as it clearly says 1985. (See following photo.)

Cuetechasaurus' quote:
We all know you don't like Efren and never have.

That wasn't a nice thing to say and it is completely untrue. The photo (that follows) of my 2nd place finish in Virginia Beach in 1985 proves that I was at the tournament where Efren had his passport taken and was arrested. Shortly after this tournament, I offered to help Efren with his Visa problems and helping him with anything he might need in the US.
This tournament holds a special place in my memory because I lost my first match to David Howard 10-2 and then won 9 matches in a row including victories over Dave Bowman, Mike Lebron, Steve Mizerak, and other notables.
I have never been anti any ethnic group or country. What I have been is pro American. It has always bothered me, although I never said so, that the Billys and the Freddies of the pool world would pull against me when I'd play an Efren.
I may be the only player who has defeated Efren, Parica, Buddy, Bugs, Ronnie Allen, Artie from Chicago and a host of others, playing them all even and betting my own money.
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I was there, wasn't there something funny about the tournament where some backer put in like half the field to make the tournament happen? I sort of remember you playing Ronnie for a $1000. a game and robbing him.
 
Grady said:
Jay:
Quote:No offense Grady, but Ronnie won the One Pocket at Red's in 1985. I was his backer and he beat Jeff Carter in the finals. You may have won it in 1986. I didn't go back the next year.

I guess my winning trophy for the Red's One Pocket is a misprint as it clearly says 1985. (See following photo.)

Cuetechasaurus' quote:
We all know you don't like Efren and never have.

That wasn't a nice thing to say and it is completely untrue. The photo (that follows) of my 2nd place finish in Virginia Beach in 1985 proves that I was at the tournament where Efren had his passport taken and was arrested. Shortly after this tournament, I offered to help Efren with his Visa problems and helping him with anything he might need in the US.
This tournament holds a special place in my memory because I lost my first match to David Howard 10-2 and then won 9 matches in a row including victories over Dave Bowman, Mike Lebron, Steve Mizerak, and other notables.
I have never been anti any ethnic group or country. What I have been is pro American. It has always bothered me, although I never said so, that the Billys and the Freddies of the pool world would pull against me when I'd play an Efren.
I may be the only player who has defeated Efren, Parica, Buddy, Bugs, Ronnie Allen, Artie from Chicago and a host of others, playing them all even and betting my own money.
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You're awesome, Grady!
 
I've known Grady for quite a long time and he has confided in me about many things and I have NEVER heard Grady talk in a disparaging way about Efren. He has NEVER said that he disliked Efren, at least to me and never in front of me. I would have remembered that as I am a big fan of the Magician although I have never had the opportunity to play him.
JoeyA

cuetechasaurus said:
I don't see why you are playing the race card when I wasn't. I just pointed out that you have always seemed to have something against Efren for a long time. I've saw it in your 'after hours' gambling match where you lost against him and complained that he got lucky (which he didn't), I've listened to it in your many commentaries (even though I enjoy your commentary), and I've read it in your posts. I never said you have anything against anyone of another race. I know you aren't like that. I said that you just don't like Efren, and alot of people know that you don't like him.
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I've saw it in your 'after hours' gambling match where you lost against him
Was it the big match at Hard Times or the one in Derby City?
thnx
 
I pulled against who?

Grady said:
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That wasn't a nice thing to say and it is completely untrue.... It has always bothered me, although I never said so, that the Billys and the Freddies of the pool world would pull against me when I'd play an Efren.
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I'm going to use your quote myself, "That wasn't a nice thing to say and it is completely untrue." What did you base that conclusion on? In Billy's (Cardone) case he pulls against you playing everybody. You made it sound like I wasn't Pro-American. I bet against Efren --and lost-- against everybody he played at Red's in Houston, including when Wade Crane got 3games on the wire going to 13 in the finals. I bet on Keith playing him on the bar table. I bet on Jimmy Reid playing him in the quarterfinals. When Effie came to Chicago I played him and Parica every day for a year trying to beat 'em. I bet against Effie when he gave Cardone the 8 & the break in Chicago. I bet against him when he beat Bugs for 30k. In truth, as much as I do like the guy, I have never bet on him! That speaks more of my loyalty to the USA boys then my good sense. The only time I was ever on his side in a match was when I coached him against you in the Childress Tournament. I had zero money up in the match, and I did it more as an ego thing, to match my wits against yours. If you remember, when he wouldn't take a scratch I told him to take, and lost the game on the next shot -- even getting a free-roll on the money -- I quit as his coach and you went ahead and beat him from there. I took the Filipino invasion as personal as anybody.

the Beard
 
JoeyA said:
I've known Grady for quite a long time and he has confided in me about many things and I have NEVER heard Grady talk in a disparaging way about Efren. He has NEVER said that he disliked Efren, at least to me and never in front of me. I would have remembered that as I am a big fan of the Magician although I have never had the opportunity to play him.
JoeyA
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I'm with you, Joey -- there's a huge amount of respect there, IMO. Of course there was a rivalry, too, but over time what I have seen is the respect far outstrip the rivalry.

Both Grady and Efren are members of the One Pocket Hall of Fame, and Efren has attended both of our HOF dinners with a huge smile on his face the whole time -- the smile often as a result of Grady's performance as master of ceremonies.

Just my opinion, but I don't think anyone should be making their judgement solely on what they have heard in match commentary or on-line forums. Without spending time around these guys in person, you are really not in a position to judge much about what they are really like -- and that goes for the stars of the game, right down to the lowliest members of the forums. I've met tons of forum members at Derby City, etc, and it never ceases to amaze me how much more likable people are in person :) or occasionally dislikable :)

Anyway, here is a photo of Grady & Efren at the first One Pocket HOF dinner at Derby City January 2005 when Efren was inducted...
 

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Grady said:
Jay:
Quote:No offense Grady, but Ronnie won the One Pocket at Red's in 1985. I was his backer and he beat Jeff Carter in the finals. You may have won it in 1986. I didn't go back the next year.

I guess my winning trophy for the Red's One Pocket is a misprint as it clearly says 1985. (See following photo.)

Cuetechasaurus' quote:
We all know you don't like Efren and never have.

That wasn't a nice thing to say and it is completely untrue. The photo (that follows) of my 2nd place finish in Virginia Beach in 1985 proves that I was at the tournament where Efren had his passport taken and was arrested. Shortly after this tournament, I offered to help Efren with his Visa problems and helping him with anything he might need in the US.
This tournament holds a special place in my memory because I lost my first match to David Howard 10-2 and then won 9 matches in a row including victories over Dave Bowman, Mike Lebron, Steve Mizerak, and other notables.
I have never been anti any ethnic group or country. What I have been is pro American. It has always bothered me, although I never said so, that the Billys and the Freddies of the pool world would pull against me when I'd play an Efren.
I may be the only player who has defeated Efren, Parica, Buddy, Bugs, Ronnie Allen, Artie from Chicago and a host of others, playing them all even and betting my own money.
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My apologies Grady. Ronnie must have won in 1984. I'm going to call him and confirm the year. For some reason I thought he won the same year that Efren arrived. Getting old is a *****, and I must be getting old.

I know I played you one year in the One Pocket at Red's. It was a money match and you got me. I had a chance to win and missed an open shot. I remember that!
 
I don't want to get into a big flame war on this venerable site but Cuetechasaurus is way out of line coming on a public forum and saying that I don't like someone. I've gone out of my way to be nice to all the players except Hopkins and Charlie Williams. That should be self explanatory.
I love Freddie, too and we've had our differences over the years. But try to remember, Freddie when you chortled with glee when I was beating one of the Philipinos or when one of them wouldn't play.
Here's a deal for you, Cuetechasaurus. Let's see what you're really made of. I'll bet you $10,000 or $2,000 if you'd rather that when Efren is asked if I like him or dislike him, he'll instantly say that I like him a lot.
Lastly, only a complete idiot couldn't see that Efren got lucky in that celebrated match we played. I may get into this aspect of Efren's game at a later time because I think everyone would thoroughly enjoy it. What I'm leading up to is this: Efren's luck, despite his really being a great player, transcends that of normal human beings and enters the realm of the supernatural. Freddie can weigh in real heavily on this topic, as he's seen lots of what I'm talking about.
Moderator, I respectfully call for either an apology from Cuetechasaurus or him being banned from this site.
 
Grady can you tell us a bit more about the after hours match? I have seen that match once and its a fantastic action match. Was it shot at the Willards tournament at the Pheasant Run Resort outside of Chicago in 1992?

I do remember one part of the match near the end when you have Efren uptable near the top rail with like 5 balls in front of your pocket. Efren shoots a shot he ends up with the cueball near your pocket and you have no shot. The natural sound on the tape picks up you commenting that Efren just made the greatest shot you have ever seen. Was this the shot that you feel Efren got lucky on?

I will have to watch that tape again. My memory of it is that Efren ran out pretty good, you made some really tremendous short rail banks lagging at your pocket and that you showed alot of heart to bring the match to double hill.
 
Making a comment from almost complete ignorance!

Let me admit right off that I have NO REAL INFORMATION on who likes or dislikes whom, but exercising my right to free speech, I'd just like to ask forum members to tell me one thing; who DOESN'T like Efren? I understand that Jose Parica has expressed a bit of bitterness at times about all the fame and adulation Efren has garnered and has stated on several occasions that he (Parica) holds a winning record in matches against Efren, so maybe he doesn't like him. The few times I have interacted with Efren, he was as friendly and sweet natured as you could ask for.
 
Grady said:
Lastly, only a complete idiot couldn't see that Efren got lucky in that celebrated match we played. I may get into this aspect of Efren's game at a later time because I think everyone would thoroughly enjoy it. What I'm leading up to is this: Efren's luck, despite his really being a great player, transcends that of normal human beings and enters the realm of the supernatural.
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Grady,

Like most places in America, we have several high quality Asian players here in Rochester. One thing they all have in common is a quote they make after winning a match. "I was luuucky"! I believe it must have something to do with religions of the far east. They truely believe they will be lucky, therefore they are. I must agree that Efren is nearly godlike in that area.

Lyn
 
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