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Want to improve? This is how. Part 1 - 04-30-2008, 10:28 AM

Okay, I mentioned in another thread how there are only a handful of shots that can improve your game and figured I'd get into it a little more in a series of threads. The biggest mistakes I see C/B level players make are outlined in these shots. Typically, these are shots that are well within the realm of what the player is already capable of, they're just not aware of the minute details.

The first one I'll discuss today are short angled shots. These are shots that you make nearly 100% of the time. If you spend a portion of your practice time working out EXACTLY how the cueball reacts, you can keep your cueball in line and extend a significant portion of your run-out attempts.

Please note - The balls should NOT be set-up exactly the same every time. You want to develop a feel for speed and spin which means you should mix it up a little.


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This first shot should already be in your arsenal but you want to have precision feel for it. You should never ever scratch and know exactly where your cueball will reach the rail. As you vary the location of the 9-ball, you should learn ways to avoid scratching in the side-pocket - when to play for the short-side, when to spin above the side, when to play with soft speed so you don't reach the side.




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This shot is far less trickier than it looks. You will quickly realize the key to this shot is to not use very much english. A 1 o'clock hit should give you enough spin to create the necessary z-shape. The important thing here is having a feel for going across the width of the table twice.




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This is one of my favorites and yet, I see it mishandled CONSTANTLY. Learn to do this shot only using side spin and gauge how much is necessary to safely avoid the side-pocket. You'll quickly realize how much room for error you have with speed as you enter the position zone from its widest point.






There are plenty of other short shots that you'll build into your game and you'll quickly realize their value (like the one below). However, many of these other shots won't be as sensitive as the three I outline.

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04-30-2008, 10:39 AM

Great lesson!


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04-30-2008, 10:46 AM

Thanks for the insight. I really enjoy "seeing" the shots on the cuetable. So often I find myself just shooting one shot at a time & hoping I get position for another shot. This just reinforces the fact that I have to slow down & plan ahead.
  
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04-30-2008, 10:51 AM

awesome lesson, I really appreciated this.
  
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04-30-2008, 10:57 AM

Thanks Blackjack!


big_wave_dav - The important thing here is to be deliberate with your tip placement and speed. You don't want to just use spin. You want to use a specific amount of spin and you want to FEEL the spin reacting with the rail. It's a touch many straight pool players are expert in (which is why I think I got Blackjack's attention). However, this touch is important to have no matter which game you play.

As you get more and more comfortable with shots like these, you'll learn how you can use this knowledge for other shots like 1. when the object ball is near the middle of the table, 2. when the cueball is far from the object ball. It's a base to build from.


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04-30-2008, 11:15 AM

Good stuff Jude.

All of these shots include a second rail...even for other shots that won't the CB will be traveling toward a second rail.

That being said...these diagrams fall right in line with something I was told when I just an up an coming banger.... I can't remember who told me this... or where I read it.....It was not something I learned on my own......but It is something that stuck with me and even today I continually work on perfecting......and I suspect that even pros continually work on perfecting this.... (except Efren)

I was told...one of the most important parts of playing shape was learning how to know where the CB was going to contact the "second" rail and learning how to "controle" where the CB will contact the second rail.

Although fairly basic stuff...is probably some of the most important parts of position play..... right behind speed of shot......Actually...speed of shot will facter into some of your shots diagramed.


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04-30-2008, 11:26 AM

Man it kills me not to be able to see the Cuetable on my computer. I have tried everything I can think of.

Maybe its time to buy a new version of Windows

If someone can could these layouts be posted in jpg form?
  
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04-30-2008, 11:30 AM

good post, im going to print it out and give it to a guy on my team. he's a good shot but constantly messes these shots up(draws EVERYTHING)...a lot of times this being the difference between winning and losing.
hows that saying go about drawing? "it takes 5 minutes to learn and 5 years to learn when not to use it"
  
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04-30-2008, 11:32 AM

Thank you very much jude.... after working on these shots, I might be able to beat you next season!
  
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Thank you very much jude.... after working on these shots, I might be able to beat you next season!

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Man it kills me not to be able to see the Cuetable on my computer. I have tried everything I can think of.

Maybe its time to buy a new version of Windows

If someone can could these layouts be posted in jpg form?

Does your computer give you a message when it fails to display a cuetable? If so, what is that message?


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04-30-2008, 12:08 PM

Excellent lesson Jude! Rep to you sir!
  
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04-30-2008, 12:13 PM

Ugh, way too many cue tables - i.e. too many Flash instances.

What would rock is if you could just do screenshots of those things, once you've got them set up, and then just include the static images. It would load a loooot faster. But it would require more up front work...


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04-30-2008, 12:14 PM

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Please note - The balls should NOT be set-up exactly the same every time. You want to develop a feel for speed and spin which means you should mix it up a little.

Jude, I feel that is some great advice that I rarely see in books that are full of drills. Moving the CB or OB just an inch or so can make a huge difference. When I first started doing drills a LONG time ago, I got way to caught up in the EXACT position of both balls. This of course, did me little good since that exact shot rarely if ever came up.

Rep for you, great thread. This is some of the priceless info that I like to see on AZ..

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