A.E. Schmidt Co. Cue

HawaiianEye

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Got a call from Scot today and it looks like the wrap will probably have to be replaced. My choice is to replace it with white w/green speck, but was wondering if smooth black leather may be a better choice.

None of my cues have a leather wrap...all are linen. The last leather wrapped cue I had was a Richard Black Casino I had him make me in 1981.

I have to make my mind up quick.

What you think?
 
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Type79

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Period Linen

I would look for some period linen. The current linen doesn't look like cortland or other linens made in the 60s.

Scot can finish the cue and wrap it after you find the material or you could send it to a cuemaker who has NOS linen.
 

HawaiianEye

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I ordered a "log"

Linen it is. I'll try to keep it looking as close to what it originally looked like.

I also decided to have Scot make me another shaft for it.

I ordered a "log". When I told Scot what I wanted, he responded, "that's going to be a log". I played with 14mm shafts for decades and now am down to shafts that are much thinner. The shafts on this A. E. Schmidt cue are less than 13mm.

My thickest shaft, and the one I play the most with, is a Predator 314-2 FAT shaft which is 13.2mm and is made for my Pancerny Titlist conversion and I consider it "thin". It will not fit the A. E. cue..

He is making me a 14mm shaft with a 12" pro taper...a "log". It will have the black and red matching joint collar rings, but without the steel portion.
 

HawaiianEye

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My memory is still intact. I thought I bought it in May 1973 and now that the wrap has been taken off, it has the date "5-26-73" written on the handle in Magic Marker.

It also has "A. E. S. Co.", "MF-12" and "Hoover" written. MF-12 is the model and, at this point, I'm assuming "Hoover" is the guy who made it. I sent an e-mail to Fred Schmidt to see if I can get some more information about "Hoover".

It is a one-piece Titlist butt with the plastic rings and white butt cap at the end.

I will post some pictures to see if anybody can identify what type of wood it is.
 

Chopdoc

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My memory is still intact. I thought I bought it in May 1973 and now that the wrap has been taken off, it has the date "5-26-73" written on the handle in Magic Marker.

It also has "A. E. S. Co.", "MF-12" and "Hoover" written. MF-12 is the model and, at this point, I'm assuming "Hoover" is the guy who made it. I sent an e-mail to Fred Schmidt to see if I can get some more information about "Hoover".

It is a one-piece Titlist butt with the plastic rings and white butt cap at the end.

I will post some pictures to see if anybody can identify what type of wood it is.

That is so cool! I look forward to pics!


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HawaiianEye

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Some pics. Will ask Scot Sherbine if he knows what kind of wood it is.
 

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cuesblues

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This is a real cool & interesting thread.
Don't know how I missed it the first time around.
Very nce
 

HawaiianEye

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Thank you very much manwon...I KNEW you would come through...you always do.

I just got off the phone with Fred Schmidt (great, great grandson of the founder of A.E. Schmidt) and he gave me some more info.

If you look at the top of the brochure it identifies who made the cues...V before the stock number indicates Viking...A indicates Adams...and S indicates a Schmidt cue. Schmidt cues were made in St. Louis at the company by Lloyd Bennett and there was also another guy names Bill Vanhoos.

I am uploading a picture of the same brochure manwon posted...you can see the information in the top corner.

The mystery of "Hoover" is no more.

I talked to Fred Schmidt on the phone again this morning and he hadn't checked his e-mail yet, but he knew who "Hoover" was, as soon as I mentioned the name.

"Hoover" was a nickname for Lloyd Bennett who passed away at 57 a decade or so ago. He worked at A. E. Schmidt up until he passed away.

Will post pictures as soon as I have some more or get the cue back.
 

Chopdoc

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The mystery of "Hoover" is no more.

I talked to Fred Schmidt on the phone again this morning and he hadn't checked his e-mail yet, but he knew who "Hoover" was, as soon as I mentioned the name.

"Hoover" was a nickname for Lloyd Bennett who passed away at 57 a decade or so ago. He worked at A. E. Schmidt up until he passed away.

Will post pictures as soon as I have some more or get the cue back.


Sad he has passed but a major touchdown that you tracked down the ID IMHO. :thumbup:


Obituary:
http://www.lileyfuneralhomes.com/obituary.asp?ObitsID=423

If you read the condolences there is some background and history of him at A.E.Schmidt.


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HawaiianEye

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Sad he has passed but a major touchdown that you tracked down the ID IMHO. :thumbup:

Obituary:
http://www.lileyfuneralhomes.com/obituary.asp?ObitsID=423

If you read the condolences there is some background and history of him at A.E.Schmidt.

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Thanks for finding and posting that link. It is ironic that he was from Marble Hill, MO. I would think that many of my family may have known him, or known of him. Our family came from Germany or Austria a few hundred years ago and many of them settled in Marble Hill. I have tons of family that still live there and many of the businesses are owned or operated by relatives.

One of the online condolences kind of summed up his life and it was written by Bob Schmidt...he is the brother of Fred, the guy I called about my cue.

I'll post it here, just to keep his story alive for the pool and billiards folks.

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There are not many craftsmen in today's world. Lloyd Bennett was a craftsman in wood, and his specialty was in the billiard business. He was a master craftsman who could build a pool table from scratch, fix an old table and make it as good as new, sew leather pockets by hand, and repair any cue stick he was handed. He was an expert refinisher who loved to tackle an antique pool table and bring out its natural beauty. To watch him work was like seeing an artist create something from nothing.

I first met Lloyd when we were teenagers at A E Schmidt Co. in St Louis. My uncle, Arthur, had hired Lloyd to work in the factory making and repairing pool tables. Lloyd was taken under the wings of Gene Duncan and Ray Kester, an older generation of master craftsman who worked at A E Schmidt Co. most of their working lives. From Gene Duncan, Lloyd learned everything about building pool tables - building frames, drilling holes in the slate beds, putting rubber cushions on the rails, and many other skills. From Ray Kester, Lloyd learned how to make cues, repair cues, and turn an ivory ball. Lloyd was a quick study and kept the tradition of craftsmanship alive at the company when the older men retired.

Lloyd worked for twenty years at A E Schmidt Co. and then moved back to Greenville, MO. for awhile. Missing the business, he let people know he wanted to return to work. My father, Harold, heard that Lloyd was available and arranged for him to come to Little Rock, AR for an interview to work at Jones Brothers Pool Tables where I was the manager of the store. We immediately hired Lloyd, recognizing his talents and our retail business began to grow. Lloyd was a fixture in our cue repair room and quickly all the good pool players in the state were coming around to have their cues fixed and new shafts made for them. In the mid 1980's an opportunity came for us to open a pool room in an entertainment complex and we decided to put only antique pool tables in it which we would also sell. Thus started Lloyd's first side business where we would buy the antiques and Lloyd would refinish them in a shop behind his house.

The next phase of Lloyd's life was centered around the growth of Dave & Buster's, a national company which used A E Schmidt pool tables as one of their major themes in a restaurant - entertainment center. starting in Dallas in 1982, Dave & Buster's expanded to over 40 locations in the US and 4 location in other countries. Lloyd installed the tables in a few of the early locations. But his real relationship with Dave & Buster would come a few years later.

In the meantime, Lloyd had fallen in love with Lea Ann and they decided to move back to the Greenville, Missouri area where Lloyd's relatives lived. Lloyd had worked for Jones Brothers for ten years and now decided that he and Lee Ann would start their own billiard business - L A Pool Tables - in Grassy, MO. We began to send our pool tables to be refinished to Lloyd and so had my brother who has a store in Columbia. MO. Lloyd had customers as far away as New York who would send him rails to repair or tables to refinish. We also sent the more difficult cue repairs to Lloyd.

As Dave & Buster's started their major expansion in the 1990's, they needed someone they could count on to recover their pool tables every 4 months. Soon Lloyd and Lea Ann (whom Lloyd had taught to recover tables) were driving or flying all over the U S working at Dave & Buster's. They did good work - and fast . How two of them could recover 14 tables in two days always amazed us at Jones Bros. LA Pool Tables and Dave & Buster's became a good fit and helped both companies grow.

In Lea Ann, Lloyd had not only found a good business partner but the love of his life. They were good together - working long hours and still laughing when the work was done. I didn't see much of Lloyd after he left Little Rock, but I know he loved living in the country, being with Lea Ann, and fishing for relaxation. Lea Ann and Lloyd inspired each other to carve their own business and livelihood in a rural setting. They were a good couple.

I feel privileged to have known Lloyd Bennett most of my life. He was an inspiration. If I came to him with a problem with a billiard table, his first question was always "What have you got?" When I told him the problem, he could always solve it . He was a hard and tireless worker. He helped to train one of my employees, Walter Thurman, who has become a craftsman in his own right . Above all, it was fun to watch Lloyd work. To watch a master at work - to make something look easy that is technically very hard is a thrill. Lloyd Bennett, craftsman, will be long remembered.
 
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Chopdoc

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Not to diminish the rest of it, but I like this:

To watch him work was like seeing an artist create something from nothing.

Lloyd was a fixture in our cue repair room and quickly all the good pool players in the state were coming around to have their cues fixed and new shafts made for them.

We also sent the more difficult cue repairs to Lloyd.

That says something right there. :smile:


Obviously there is a lot more there but as applies to a cue he made those lines speak to the point.

You have been the caretaker of that cue for a long time. And now you get to keep alive the memory of a true cue craftsman that none of us here had ever heard of before.


I bet you never thought the cue would mean so much.






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Chopdoc

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This thread is of much more importance than most cue ID threads that I have seen. This thread just identified many of the "who built it" cues that have come on here. A.E. Schmidt Co can now be identified as the maker of many of the cues people have guessed were Palmers, Gandy, Adam and Paradise.



I like the way he put that. As it turns out, he was so right. :smile:





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HawaiianEye

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I am glad you got additional information, but the photo of the catalog you posted is after 1971. I am posting another photo of the 1971 catalog where they call all the cues MF Cues and list no maker I actually have three catalogs. In that earlier catalog your cue is an MF-12, now I know what MF means out in the world:D but I have know clue what they mean.

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Glad I could help

The "mystery" of MF has now been solved, too. While I was doing some research online, I came across the 1969 A. E. Schmidt catalog.

http://www.belltownvintagecards.com/product-p/4075870001701.htm

The MF cues were the "Minnesota Fats" Signature line...even though I don't remember any sticker, or anything, on mine saying that when I got it.

I was just assuming MF meant "MOFO", 'cause that is what I call it when I miss a shot.
 

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Toxictom

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Does anyone know anything about the case? The case for my Palmer is identical only it is stenciled "Palmer Custom Cues".
 

Type79

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Does anyone know anything about the case? The case for my Palmer is identical only it is stenciled "Palmer Custom Cues".

Palmer sold cases from many different manufacturers including cases similar if not identical to the case shown in the first pictures.

Your case imprinted "Palmer Custom Cue" is probably slightly different from this case. You can see many Palmer cases on Chris Tate's website palmercollector.com/ or more specifically http://www.palmercollector.com/PalmerCasesHome.html
 

Chopdoc

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Such cases were, I believe, available branded and unbranded. Same with the cases from Brunswick and others.

I don't know what company might have made these. Some luggage or instrument case maker I would guess.





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desi2960

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push in bumper

Measure the diameter and depth of the hole, I have a bunch of old cueS that have that style. If I can find one the same I'll send it to you.
 
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