if the CB is frozen to a red, in snooker, we will normally call it and have the opponent agree if it is in fact frozen or just close. If it is agreed to be frozen the shooter can shoot away, this gives a great option to hook as it is considered that it has already contacted the red, so they can shoot away, hit no other ball at all, nor any cusion , maybe hook someone with the opportunity, and it is a legal shot.
if the ball is deemed to be only very close then it is acceptable to shoot , grazing the ball and moving it a but it is normally done in such a way that it is not pushing into the ball very much I guess you could say it was "grazing the ball" from a position starting as close to contact..
I'm unsure of the limit of this, in other words it may be possible to pocket the ball if a push shot is permitted, but in many cases it results in playing a safety unless there is something else entirely different to shoot at and pocket..
I have never noted a situation where the frozen or nearby ball is pocketed through use of an intentional push shot.
I realize you guys are probably discussing 8 or 9 ball or straight pool and not snooker but its a similar situation. as far as I know the rule about hitting the rails is a 8 ball rule not a snooker rule but it may come into pay in "american snooker"
I've had it happen in 9 ball where a push shot was called upon me by an aggressive player who proceeded to pick up the CB and play a ball in hand. Its just not always worth arguing, In competition play It would be judged, but in casual play, I didn't care enough to argue it. I don't gamble so the most we are playing for is our right to stay on the table.
I've seen similar in snooker where I shot away from a very nearby ball and an opponent made a bad call.. I was sure I saw the red "rock" , which was exactly my intent in playing the shot. He was perhaps just further and didn't see the movement but I saw it as it was right under my nose..
again not worth he argument, friendly play continued, no regrets. no video to review, not even a spectator to make a judgement. Irked me, sure, but I let it go.
we do prefer to play by real rules though as some may take things seriously and some do compete in larger arenas.
I think my question here is similar in 8 ball if a ball is near touching it you can shoot at a slight angle , it is in actuality a push shot becaue the ball is travelling and it's in contact with the cue and the OB even though it is sort of "grazing the ball"
, but what if one were to take a shot with a little more than a "graze" that becomes very difficult to quantify. maybe there is a better term than a "graze" I wonder how a judge would interpret that?
touching a ball is a 4 point fault in snooker, it may be more likely that a snooker player will make the call , for example if your shirt sleeve were to contact a ball that is a fault.. often we are just honest and will call such a fault upon ourselves even in the event no one is watching closely.
so what should I do when I am bridging near other balls and I feel one of the hairs on the back of my hand touch a ball, I have not moved it, ihave not made skin contact, I suppose it is contact but I'd say that some may call that upon themselves and many may not.
at home with my lady she's always calling faults upon hersef to the point of it getting a bit rediculous, I don't want to win by way of so many faults.. I thought maybe making a "house rule" that a ball has to actually move may make sense, thus eliminatung about half of them.
is 8 ball or 9 ball as stringent upon such a touch fault? how far would you take it? woudl you call upon yourself , a hair on the back of your hand, which you can just barely feel, and did not move the ball, as a ball contact foul ?
It's an example of a foul you may notice, but others may not really even be able to sense, even when they do happen to be watching intently..
