I agree... a warning is the correct action (in both cases). Players should know the rules, but the rules
should include a warning first for unintentional acts.
should include a warning first for unintentional acts.
Another chicken shit “foul”
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The net affect of this new trend by refs of calling this a “foul” will be to slow down the game. That’s all pool needs. (Sarcasm).
Who decides which of the rules we have to follow and which we get to ignore?Pool just gets worse and worse
Watch this reel https://www.facebook.com/reel/373831724990450?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V&mibextid=3iQHzw
That was not inintentional
Honestly , RULES ARE RULES , I get it .
But c’mon ! i wanna be able to win and more importantly feel proud about the victory when i wake up the next morning , look at the mirror n feel good with my nuts intact.
Winning by a chicken shit foul just confirmed that the opponent is too good that i have to resort to weak ass tactics
But c’mon ! i wanna be able to win and more importantly feel proud about the victory when i wake up the next morning , look at the mirror n feel good with my nuts intact.
Winning by a chicken shit foul just confirmed that the opponent is too good that i have to resort to weak ass tactics
It feels like we hit some super gray area and a problematic situation.
So during a game if a fan asks you to sign an 8-ball, you have fouled as soon as you put it in your hand because you touched an “object ball”? Because the rules don’t differentiate balls “in play” vs. “out of play”?
Also to some degrees, Rule 8.3 defines “out of play” balls and it (as well as Regulation 13) allows for the removal of balls from a full pocket. It does say it’s the referees responsibility but does not define the penalty for a player performing the function while a ref is present. Which would make me wonder if it’s a foul to perform other referee duties. Would it be a foul to call a foul? Would it be a foul to assist a player in retreiving the mechanical bridge?
And I’ll even suggest that we have a pretty major problem. Unsportsmanlike conduct is
any intentional behavior that brings disrepute to the sport or which disrupts or changes the game to the extent that it cannot be played fairly. Any fair-minded person would say this rule and its application was unsportsmanlike, brings disrepute to the game, and affects whether it can be played fairly. If the rules support calling this a foul, it’s a very clear case where the rules must change because it embarrasses the sport. You see that embarrassment online every time the situation occurs like it did earlier this year with Chang. I get the Kristina Zlateva situation where you can’t disrupt moving balls. But it makes no sense that you can’t start clearing pocketed balls early if you don’t affect the outcome of the shot. That’s an accepted behavior well within the established traditions of the game.
Finally common sense I can agree with. If people are unhappy with the rules, change the rules. Bitching about rules being enforced, like what happens with every foul posted on here, is just ignorant.
One would think it would be the book. If they aren't playing by the book, it's bar rules
Sweet Jesus, you nicely pointed out that it was a ref calling a foul (literally his job) and TCC still couldn't figure it out. I can't wait to hear about the retarded ref.
i dont know what the fair penalty should be. unsportsmanlike like conduct is too vague and sounds more like cheating or being out of line in some way.
but as i say in tournaments we have a game of rules and its fine to call any rule that is broken.
but all rules should be clear what they are and what the penalty is.
not what some ref who may or not like the player decides is fair.
here i see it as just a foul during the shot. as the shot wasnt complete yet.
but as i say in tournaments we have a game of rules and its fine to call any rule that is broken.
but all rules should be clear what they are and what the penalty is.
not what some ref who may or not like the player decides is fair.
here i see it as just a foul during the shot. as the shot wasnt complete yet.
Agree 1000%
The proper thing to have been done in this situation is for this ref to have consulted with the head tournament ref or TD as to what the appropriate penalty should be for this action. If this was the first infraction, a simple warning would have seemed warranted. If this was the head ref that made this call on the spot, then there would be no recourse.
It’s hard to tell from the video whether or not the ref was planning to enforce this foul on his own as he approached the table, but he was clearly put on the spot to make this call after the opponent brought this to his attention, at which point he felt he had to uphold the rules by the book.
It would be hard to criticize a ref for being forced on the spot by a player to follow/apply the strict written rules, but one can and will question the integrity of any opponent who stoops to calling out such a rule in order to win a game that he clearly lost.
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I know golfers make a far better living than pool players (and perhaps that is the deciding factor for many) but speaking strictly about rules and their enforcement and impact for comparison...
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he made the 9 then started putting balls on the table while the cueball was still in motion. You're not suppose to touch the balls while balls are moving. You see the refs like john lehmann always wait until all motion has stopped before they touch any balls
Agreed, but some discretion should be used by a ref in enforcing this rule, if the cue ball is still slowly moving innocently down the middle of the table, with absolutely no chance of coming anywhere near a pocket.
And the fact is he did not interrupt the cue ball from rolling - all he did was start removing balls from pockets to assist the ref in the racking of the balls.
Sweet Jesus folks have never heard of sarcasm ! God have mercy I hope I never become that placid
Well when a player doesn’t even know a rule exists because it’s literally retarded it’s hard to follow
It’s very easy to say “You’re not supposed to touch the balls while balls are moving.”
But to actually a specific rule that explicitly states as such is a much harder task and is open to a lot of debate.
If you play a game seriously, let alone professionally, you should know he rules.
Whether the rule needs to be changed or not is up for discussion, but unless a TD decides to do so beforehand, individual players/refs can't arbitrarily decide to enforce some rules but not others.
But this man obviously didn’t know it and looks like a professional
Nor did jin ling about a week ago another professional
Step back and ask yourselves out loud are these fouls really necessary, I bet it’ll sound quite silly to you to
And yes whether or not the rules shouldn’t exist is exactly the discussion here