Can't argue with any of that. Maybe my diplomacy comes from sitting on the European side of the fence. :wink:
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Can't argue with any of that. Maybe my diplomacy comes from sitting on the European side of the fence. :wink:
Joe
Have you ever been to Scotland, Finland, Yorkshire or Germany.
They are all BLOODY FREEZING
O yay everybody jump for joy that Mark Wilson is going to be captain again. At least he can't handpick the team again
Quality rather than Quantity of tournaments
It is more the Quality rather than Quantity of tourneys
I don't think tourneys have rating system like other sports. I mean we know the majors like W9B, W8B,W10B, USO CO, AJ which will be highest 5 stars rating but other than those majors,there is no objective rating system to determine which tourney is rated higher or lower than another. Tourneys that have huge number of amateurs/dead money are just lower quality. There are players that win many lower quality (lower rated) tourneys but have difficulty getting into quarterfinals or higher of a major like W9B, W8B,W10B, USO CO, AJ
It is still very very hard and a big deal for a non-elite player to snap off a major
It is more the Quality rather than Quantity of tourneys
I don't think tourneys have rating system like other sports. I mean we know the majors like W9B, W8B,W10B, USO CO, AJ which will be highest 5 stars rating but other than those majors,there is no objective rating system to determine which tourney is rated higher or lower than another. Tourneys that have huge number of amateurs/dead money are just lower quality. There are players that win many lower quality (lower rated) tourneys but have difficulty getting into quarterfinals or higher of a major like W9B, W8B,W10B, USO CO, AJ
It is still very very hard and a big deal for a non-elite player to snap off a major
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Quiet coach!
Phil Jackson was a very "quiet" coach. He had a bit of success.
It's easy to criticize. Try filling Mark's shoes and see how you do the first time on an international stage. The European's coach is rather quiet...didn't seem to hurt their team too much.
I have no problem with Mark as a coach or the players he chose. They just got defeated by a superior team that week. No need to blame anyone.
Phil Jackson was a very "quiet" coach. He had a bit of success.
It's easy to criticize. Try filling Mark's shoes and see how you do the first time on an international stage. The European's coach is rather quiet...didn't seem to hurt their team too much.
I have no problem with Mark as a coach or the players he chose. They just got defeated by a superior team that week. No need to blame anyone.
Mark Wilson, Nick Varner, Johnny Archer, or whomever..... I think the first issue is a European entity dictating the criteria for how the American team is selected. It seems to me, and I may be incorrect, that the European players attend most, if not all, the Euro events, while the American players usually have to go where the money is, and that's not always a tournament venue.
For some reason the Euros seem to specilaize in much shorter races, when you see the top Americans match up it's a race to 25 or 50 and in a couple of diff6erent diciplines over a two or three day period. I don't keep a close eye on Europe or the Euro players, do they get together for big money challange matches? For instance, is there a European TAR or something like that?
While it's plain to see pool and the image of pool in general is suffering here in the USA it's not without hope. The pertnent things about the Mosconi Cup would seem to be to the advantage of the Euros, and I doubt that Matchroom is going to take the races from five to at least 9, 11 or 15 anytime soon.
The Mosconi Cup is an exibition that's built for broadcasting so it has to go quickly to maintain interest and sponsorship. I believe the hope for the Americans, since they can no longer just rely on superior talent, is to build a team that will also specialize in the shorter race and playing as a team.
After watching the past few Mosconi Cups one of the most relevent things to me is that Team Europe presents as a team with the coach/captain heavily involved, while Team USA appears to be a few individuals and a guy in a Team USA jacket that sits in the bleachers manages to catch a few innings of a game or two between conversations. The coach of Team USA appears to be a very titular position.
I understand that Mark Wilson is an excellent pool mind and teacher, but it seems that the players benefited very little from his expertise and his experience.
If the US Mosconi Cup has to be selected based on points, as Matchroom has stated, then maybe it should be selected from the prior year's points, or from points from the pervious June through December so the team can be in place by March or April to establish a real team unit and play and gain some experience in exibition events that are short races.
I don't believe the Euros are superior talent-wise, I think at that level of pool things are reasonably even among players, but still, someone has to win and someone has to lose.
The Euros, for now, just seem to better at the current format that is the Mosconi Cup
For some reason the Euros seem to specilaize in much shorter races, when you see the top Americans match up it's a race to 25 or 50 and in a couple of diff6erent diciplines over a two or three day period. I don't keep a close eye on Europe or the Euro players, do they get together for big money challange matches? For instance, is there a European TAR or something like that?
While it's plain to see pool and the image of pool in general is suffering here in the USA it's not without hope. The pertnent things about the Mosconi Cup would seem to be to the advantage of the Euros, and I doubt that Matchroom is going to take the races from five to at least 9, 11 or 15 anytime soon.
The Mosconi Cup is an exibition that's built for broadcasting so it has to go quickly to maintain interest and sponsorship. I believe the hope for the Americans, since they can no longer just rely on superior talent, is to build a team that will also specialize in the shorter race and playing as a team.
After watching the past few Mosconi Cups one of the most relevent things to me is that Team Europe presents as a team with the coach/captain heavily involved, while Team USA appears to be a few individuals and a guy in a Team USA jacket that sits in the bleachers manages to catch a few innings of a game or two between conversations. The coach of Team USA appears to be a very titular position.
I understand that Mark Wilson is an excellent pool mind and teacher, but it seems that the players benefited very little from his expertise and his experience.
If the US Mosconi Cup has to be selected based on points, as Matchroom has stated, then maybe it should be selected from the prior year's points, or from points from the pervious June through December so the team can be in place by March or April to establish a real team unit and play and gain some experience in exibition events that are short races.
I don't believe the Euros are superior talent-wise, I think at that level of pool things are reasonably even among players, but still, someone has to win and someone has to lose.
The Euros, for now, just seem to better at the current format that is the Mosconi Cup
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If I could also bring up the audience participation factor. A coach has no control over that.
It seems no matter where the Mosconi Cup is held - Europe or America - the European audience is far more a greater factor than the Americans.
Almost every shot the American team took which rolled even six inches past ideal position - there were the usual shouts of whoah! and oh no! Even though the Americans were still in position for a run out.
But when the Euro squad had a bad roll or played poor position it was crickets.
Even two years ago in Vegas - the American audience will not get rowdy for the most part. Sure there are some, but its just not on par with the Euro audience.
This is just an observation of a factor the coach has no control over, not an excuse. I wish I lived closer to vegas. If the mosconi cup was held in NY or in the north east, I'd be there and make it the equivalent of Seattle stadium and the 12th man noise factor. If Michaela Tab is not warning me twice every match to settle down then I'm not doing my part. :grin:
It seems no matter where the Mosconi Cup is held - Europe or America - the European audience is far more a greater factor than the Americans.
Almost every shot the American team took which rolled even six inches past ideal position - there were the usual shouts of whoah! and oh no! Even though the Americans were still in position for a run out.
But when the Euro squad had a bad roll or played poor position it was crickets.
Even two years ago in Vegas - the American audience will not get rowdy for the most part. Sure there are some, but its just not on par with the Euro audience.
This is just an observation of a factor the coach has no control over, not an excuse. I wish I lived closer to vegas. If the mosconi cup was held in NY or in the north east, I'd be there and make it the equivalent of Seattle stadium and the 12th man noise factor. If Michaela Tab is not warning me twice every match to settle down then I'm not doing my part. :grin:
The Euros had several world titles ,, remind me again because I forgot , how many did our players have collectively among them ,,
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excuse me -
- Fat albert was the loudmouth yáll heard yelling "USA!", & lots of other crap. he got warned at least once by Michaela. only that English Santa can outyell him.
- when we were front row center, KK9 proudly twiddled his 3-inch flag on a toothpick (compliments of Vagabond). and once, after the Brits had finished chanting Euuuuurup & Michaela threwup her hand of silence, KK9 let out a miserable wimpy peep: eu-rope. she turned around 3 feet from us, looked dead at KK9, dropped her head, and cracked a smile....then warned him.
- i WOO-HOOd & stomped my cowboy boots & whistled, to the point where by Day 2, i was half-horse & my calves were strained & i had bitten through my fingers.
Johnny's wife & kids were verbal too. and Dennis's girlfriend.
but i do get your point. and you're right. you can come sit with us in DEC!
Mike maybe...I predict that Rodney will not be back...at least not for a few years. Just my personal prediction based on many factors.
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Mike maybe...I predict that Rodney will not be back...at least not for a few years. Just my personal prediction based on many factors.
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
there's a whole lot more going on here than anybody knows...let's see if Mark Wilson steps up and gives The real reason for not letting a few of the players that should have been on It...
Mark Wilson does not post here as far as I know. I don't know that he even looks at the forums. To be honest if I were him I would have to ban myself from here as this place could take your own moral down several levels.
excuse me -
- Fat albert was the loudmouth yáll heard yelling "USA!", & lots of other crap. he got warned at least once by Michaela. only that English Santa can outyell him.
- when we were front row center, KK9 proudly twiddled his 3-inch flag on a toothpick (compliments of Vagabond). and once, after the Brits had finished chanting Euuuuurup & Michaela threwup her hand of silence, KK9 let out a miserable wimpy peep: eu-rope. she turned around 3 feet from us, looked dead at KK9, dropped her head, and cracked a smile....then warned him.
- i WOO-HOOd & stomped my cowboy boots & whistled, to the point where by Day 2, i was half-horse & my calves were strained & i had bitten through my fingers.
Johnny's wife & kids were verbal too. and Dennis's girlfriend.
but i do get your point. and you're right. you can come sit with us in DEC!
Psychological warfare. Cheer and yell "uh oh!!" Even when Europe makes a good shot. They do that to the Americans and it breaks concentration...makes them think they missed something. No matter how absurd, it appears to work on team USA.
I don't know, how many? I've lost count.
I'm reasomably certain that you have an exact number at your finger tips.
So, really, how many?
I'm also reasonably sure that a veteran team such as the Euros has quite a few and a very young American team had very few, so really, how many?