Lost and Found….Minnesota Fats movie

xX-Wizard-Xx

Well-known member
I didn’t see the story behind who found it? Do you have a link?

This is the description describing the film find and its condition by the uploader

6,376 views Apr 1, 2024
Today is FT Depot’s 4 year anniversary of uploading a new 35mm (and occasionally 16mm) scan every single day. Today we are releasing an entire LOST FEATURE film which we unearthed for today’s anniversary. To the best of our knowledge, this movie has not been seen in any form for over 50 years. "The Player" is a 1971 feature film shot at Shopper's Pool Room in Baton Rouge, LA. It was written and directed by former professional billiards player Thomas DeMartini. The movie was a belated response to the success of the 1961 Jackie Gleason / Paul Newman film "The Hustler" which was based on Minnesota Fats. In this movie however, they got the real Minnesota Fats to play himself. It was produced by Gordon Ogden, president of the production company International Cinema. The Player was the production company's first film and it only played for one week before pulling it out of circulation from Gordon's theater chain Ogden-Perry Theatres. Reportedly only 30 prints were struck. The movie's principal cast were a group of unknowns, but it also included some professional billiard players, most notably Rudolph Wanderone Jr. (AKA: "Minnesota Fats"), who at the time of the film's release was one of the most famous billiard players of all time, as well as professional billiards player Jack Colavita. Both actors played themselves. Regarding this lost film, the best background we have been able to put together on the history of this specific 35mm print is that it played at a theater on its original release in 1971. It is unknown if the distributor abandoned the print or why it was never returned and instead sat in the theater for around 15-20 years until the theater closed. The theater’s projection service technician fortunately saw it was discarded and took it with him when he was removing the projection equipment. Several years later the technician dropped the print off at a drive-in theater which he was also servicing. It was assembled onto a center ring for platter projection with the intention to watch it one night after hours. After a while the print was carried downstairs (still fully assembled on a platter center ring) and was propped up against the wall in the back of an outside storage room to get it out of the way until they decided to run it. However the drive-in never actually projected the print since their double features ended so late in the night and everyone was always too tired. This all happened an estimated 25 years ago. This storage room is where we discovered the print. The room literally had a hole in the roof with rain water puddles on the floor and was completely exposed to the outside elements for what was likely a good 20 years. Fortunately we found it when we did, as once we realized it was a lost feature and needed to put forth the effort to save it, a considerable amount of work and time at the Film-Tech restoration lab was spent just un-blocking it. Had it stayed there for another 6 months or a year, it would have likely been past the point of salvaging the complete feature. The film is suffering badly from advanced stages of Vinegar Syndrome and most of the movie was physically “blocked”. (A blocked print is where all or a combination of high humidity, tight winding and/or warm temperature storage causes the layers of film to fuse together into one big solid mass.) Even after we were able to unwind the blocked print, it was still suffering from heavy physical distortion. There was significant water damage in spots where parts of the image or soundtrack were not able to be saved (especially in the end credits). Custom modifications had to be made to the scanner to be able to keep the majority of the frame in focus during the scan due to the extreme level of shrinking, warping and buckling that the film was suffering from. You will see effects of this physical damage particularly in the first reel where the image stretches and shrinks horizontally in a repetitive pattern. Please keep this in mind as the beginning of the movie is pretty rough, but does get steadily better as the movie progresses. The picture becomes generally stable in the second reel. Most of the film’s colors were able to be preserved reasonably well, but there are sections where the tint shifts back and forth from the VS degradation. For those scenes we aimed for an “average” on color balance. There was a lot of dirt physically embedded into the emulsion of the image as well. This would not come off due to the poor storage conditions the film suffered in for so many years. Although we do have more aggressive techniques to remove embedded dirt, there was a limit as to the measures we could perform on this print with it already being at the end of hospice. FT Depot is pleased to be able to present this historically important 53 year old “lost” film, even with all of its defects. 35mm 4K film scan Original theatrical release date November 5, 1971
 

ctyhntr

RIP Kelly
Silver Member
I didn’t see the story behind who found it? Do you have a link?
From the description in Youtube.

Today is FT Depot’s 4 year anniversary of uploading a new 35mm (and occasionally 16mm) scan every single day. Today we are releasing an entire LOST FEATURE film which we unearthed for today’s anniversary. To the best of our knowledge, this movie has not been seen in any form for over 50 years.

"The Player" is a 1971 feature film shot at Shopper's Pool Room in Baton Rouge, LA. It was written and directed by former professional billiards player Thomas DeMartini. The movie was a belated response to the success of the 1961 Jackie Gleason / Paul Newman film "The Hustler" which was based on Minnesota Fats. In this movie however, they got the real Minnesota Fats to play himself. It was produced by Gordon Ogden, president of the production company International Cinema. The Player was the production company's first film and it only played for one week before pulling it out of circulation from Gordon's theater chain Ogden-Perry Theatres. Reportedly only 30 prints were struck.

The movie's principal cast were a group of unknowns, but it also included some professional billiard players, most notably Rudolph Wanderone Jr. (AKA: "Minnesota Fats"), who at the time of the film's release was one of the most famous billiard players of all time, as well as professional billiards player Jack Colavita. Both actors played themselves.

Regarding this lost film, the best background we have been able to put together on the history of this specific 35mm print is that it played at a theater on its original release in 1971. It is unknown if the distributor abandoned the print or why it was never returned and instead sat in the theater for around 15-20 years until the theater closed. The theater’s projection service technician fortunately saw it was discarded and took it with him when he was removing the projection equipment.

Several years later the technician dropped the print off at a drive-in theater which he was also servicing. It was assembled onto a center ring for platter projection with the intention to watch it one night after hours. After a while the print was carried downstairs (still fully assembled on a platter center ring) and was propped up against the wall in the back of an outside storage room to get it out of the way until they decided to run it. However the drive-in never actually projected the print since their double features ended so late in the night and everyone was always too tired. This all happened an estimated 25 years ago.

This storage room is where we discovered the print. The room literally had a hole in the roof with rain water puddles on the floor and was completely exposed to the outside elements for what was likely a good 20 years.

Fortunately we found it when we did, as once we realized it was a lost feature and needed to put forth the effort to save it, a considerable amount of work and time at the Film-Tech restoration lab was spent just un-blocking it. Had it stayed there for another 6 months or a year, it would have likely been past the point of salvaging the complete feature.

The film is suffering badly from advanced stages of Vinegar Syndrome and most of the movie was physically “blocked”. (A blocked print is where all or a combination of high humidity, tight winding and/or warm temperature storage causes the layers of film to fuse together into one big solid mass.)

Even after we were able to unwind the blocked print, it was still suffering from heavy physical distortion. There was significant water damage in spots where parts of the image or soundtrack were not able to be saved (especially in the end credits). Custom modifications had to be made to the scanner to be able to keep the majority of the frame in focus during the scan due to the extreme level of shrinking, warping and buckling that the film was suffering from. You will see effects of this physical damage particularly in the first reel where the image stretches and shrinks horizontally in a repetitive pattern.

Please keep this in mind as the beginning of the movie is pretty rough, but does get steadily better as the movie progresses. The picture becomes generally stable in the second reel.

Most of the film’s colors were able to be preserved reasonably well, but there are sections where the tint shifts back and forth from the VS degradation. For those scenes we aimed for an “average” on color balance.

There was a lot of dirt physically embedded into the emulsion of the image as well. This would not come off due to the poor storage conditions the film suffered in for so many years. Although we do have more aggressive techniques to remove embedded dirt, there was a limit as to the measures we could perform on this print with it already being at the end of hospice.

FT Depot is pleased to be able to present this historically important 53 year old “lost” film, even with all of its defects.

35mm 4K film scan
Original theatrical release date November 5, 1971
 

boogieman

It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
I don't care how bad this movie (probably) is, WHAT a treat this is! To see a film of such notoriety, lost for 50 years and seemingly destined never to be seen again! Thank you to all that made this possible. Now I'm going to watch it!
It definitely has some camp to it, but it really is a treat! Some really sick trick shots.
 

VarmintKong

Cannonball comin’!
Gold Member
Watched it this afternoon. 9 ball, 1 pocket and straight pool all get a little love.

Talking out my rear here, but isn’t any piece of art a reflection of the time it was made? 1971: 14.1 starting to die down and 9 ball making a rise. Anyone who lived it, love to hear about it.

I liked the push out shot in the first game after he got the guy drunk. However that move made his “‘‘impassioned” speech about how he’s a player not a hustler pretty laughable.

Lots of laughable moments. Lots of pool, which was awesome to see, but stuff like this you hope for the “so bad it’s good moments.”

The greatest of those moments comes in at 52:43. I tried to copy a link that would take it to a timestamp, but I couldn’t figure it out. I won’t spoil it and give away the context, but this dude has the most cheese-ball smirk, while he delivers the line, “Good move Bob!” Hands down my favorite part of the movie.
 

xX-Wizard-Xx

Well-known member
It's still a treat ... Not a great movie but it's okay ... Was thought to be lost forever but now it's there on YouTube .... I enjoyed watching it for the first time ...
 

cjr3559

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
The story about recovering the print was more interesting than the movie, though I am really happy to have seen it.

The best actor was the first One Pocket player. Cool slip stroke too. Fats was great to see, though it seems he was just plopped into the film and out of place. He’s the central star but the movie isn’t really not about him. Odd.

Always like to see old films that represented their period. The poolroom and tables, the cars, styles, city life. All fascinating.

But generally this was tedious to watch. Needed better cinematography, massive editing, and the acting for the most part is just plain bad. Script was muddy and the supporting characters, well, lack support.
 

Iwishiwasrich

Active member
Great pool, cheesy acting especially the chick that looked like she was in a trance or coma. It was cool to see fats play pool instead of talking. Great find though,thanks for the work it took to bring it back.
 

Lawnboy77

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Just watched a few minutes of it, will save for later, but the first thing I noticed was the best acting was by Fats. Lol

Thanks! What a gem! All those classic Sport Kings.
 

kling&allen

AzB Gold Member
Gold Member
The story about recovering the print was more interesting than the movie, though I am really happy to have seen it.

The best actor was the first One Pocket player. Cool slip stroke too. Fats was great to see, though it seems he was just plopped into the film and out of place. He’s the central star but the movie isn’t really not about him. Odd.

Always like to see old films that represented their period. The poolroom and tables, the cars, styles, city life. All fascinating.

But generally this was tedious to watch. Needed better cinematography, massive editing, and the acting for the most part is just plain bad. Script was muddy and the supporting characters, well, lack support.

It’s not surprising that none of the main actors and actresses ever appeared in another movie.
 

jay helfert

Shoot Pool, not people
Gold Member
Silver Member
This is the description describing the film find and its condition by the uploader

6,376 views Apr 1, 2024
Today is FT Depot’s 4 year anniversary of uploading a new 35mm (and occasionally 16mm) scan every single day. Today we are releasing an entire LOST FEATURE film which we unearthed for today’s anniversary. To the best of our knowledge, this movie has not been seen in any form for over 50 years. "The Player" is a 1971 feature film shot at Shopper's Pool Room in Baton Rouge, LA. It was written and directed by former professional billiards player Thomas DeMartini. The movie was a belated response to the success of the 1961 Jackie Gleason / Paul Newman film "The Hustler" which was based on Minnesota Fats. In this movie however, they got the real Minnesota Fats to play himself. It was produced by Gordon Ogden, president of the production company International Cinema. The Player was the production company's first film and it only played for one week before pulling it out of circulation from Gordon's theater chain Ogden-Perry Theatres. Reportedly only 30 prints were struck. The movie's principal cast were a group of unknowns, but it also included some professional billiard players, most notably Rudolph Wanderone Jr. (AKA: "Minnesota Fats"), who at the time of the film's release was one of the most famous billiard players of all time, as well as professional billiards player Jack Colavita. Both actors played themselves. Regarding this lost film, the best background we have been able to put together on the history of this specific 35mm print is that it played at a theater on its original release in 1971. It is unknown if the distributor abandoned the print or why it was never returned and instead sat in the theater for around 15-20 years until the theater closed. The theater’s projection service technician fortunately saw it was discarded and took it with him when he was removing the projection equipment. Several years later the technician dropped the print off at a drive-in theater which he was also servicing. It was assembled onto a center ring for platter projection with the intention to watch it one night after hours. After a while the print was carried downstairs (still fully assembled on a platter center ring) and was propped up against the wall in the back of an outside storage room to get it out of the way until they decided to run it. However the drive-in never actually projected the print since their double features ended so late in the night and everyone was always too tired. This all happened an estimated 25 years ago. This storage room is where we discovered the print. The room literally had a hole in the roof with rain water puddles on the floor and was completely exposed to the outside elements for what was likely a good 20 years. Fortunately we found it when we did, as once we realized it was a lost feature and needed to put forth the effort to save it, a considerable amount of work and time at the Film-Tech restoration lab was spent just un-blocking it. Had it stayed there for another 6 months or a year, it would have likely been past the point of salvaging the complete feature. The film is suffering badly from advanced stages of Vinegar Syndrome and most of the movie was physically “blocked”. (A blocked print is where all or a combination of high humidity, tight winding and/or warm temperature storage causes the layers of film to fuse together into one big solid mass.) Even after we were able to unwind the blocked print, it was still suffering from heavy physical distortion. There was significant water damage in spots where parts of the image or soundtrack were not able to be saved (especially in the end credits). Custom modifications had to be made to the scanner to be able to keep the majority of the frame in focus during the scan due to the extreme level of shrinking, warping and buckling that the film was suffering from. You will see effects of this physical damage particularly in the first reel where the image stretches and shrinks horizontally in a repetitive pattern. Please keep this in mind as the beginning of the movie is pretty rough, but does get steadily better as the movie progresses. The picture becomes generally stable in the second reel. Most of the film’s colors were able to be preserved reasonably well, but there are sections where the tint shifts back and forth from the VS degradation. For those scenes we aimed for an “average” on color balance. There was a lot of dirt physically embedded into the emulsion of the image as well. This would not come off due to the poor storage conditions the film suffered in for so many years. Although we do have more aggressive techniques to remove embedded dirt, there was a limit as to the measures we could perform on this print with it already being at the end of hospice. FT Depot is pleased to be able to present this historically important 53 year old “lost” film, even with all of its defects. 35mm 4K film scan Original theatrical release date November 5, 1971
You guys did a really good job restoring this film, bringing back to life a long lost classic in the billiard world. With all the mediocre acting, poor editing, terrible music and sound, disjointed story and many utterly stupid scenes (the peanut butter sandwich he kept pulling out of his pocket!), it is still a treat to watch Fats doing his thing. The opening scene is all Fats in his glory, chattering away as he shoots some wing shots, a variety of trick shots (he created many of those shots) and showed glimpses of his true skill on a pool table. Throw in the skills of Jack Colavita, a real pool champion, and we got to see a bit a of real pool. Even the actors they picked had some level of pool skill, probably hand picked by De Martini who could play himself. You can tell the dialogue was written by someone who had a background in pool (De Martini).

I thought the girl who played Linda was actually a pretty good actress, especially compared to the one who played Sylvia. She couldn't act at all and pretty much ruined every scene she was in. Totally miscast!

Loved seeing all those classic Brunswick Sport Kings, damn good and very under rated tables. Also saw one Anniversary by the counter. So glad to finally see this movie. Even with all it's failings I enjoyed it. Thank you!
 
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Mr. Joshua

AzB Gold Member
Gold Member
For it to have been lost forever and resurrected is incredible. I have a brand-new condition movie poster, so am particularly glad to get the chance to finally see it with no expectations.
 

Rosewood

Active member
Bad movie for the most part, but a treat to watch. I don't agree with the statement made that "The Hustler" character was based on Rudolf Wanderone, aka "New York Fats", who in my opinion was the greatest opportunist of all time.
 

BilliardsAbout

BondFanEvents.com
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Better than the last few pool movies I've seen. Victor Anthony as Bill and Carey Wilmot as Linda (credits list her as Wilmont!) were enjoyable to watch, as was Fatty. Excellent pool and trick shots. Good soundtrack and cinematography.
 
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