Making leather tips
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Most single-layer tips are vegetable-tanned cowhide. After tanning they are cut and pressed. No glue in single layer tips afaik.
Get a copy of my tip article from 2004 InsidePOOL Magazine.
Type of leather for most single layer tips: water buffalo
Elk Master: chrome tanned leather
LePro: oak-tanned leather
Why do you need help, and what could you possibly do with this information? You’re certainly not going to be making single layered tips any time soon.
Freddie <~~~ and no, Elk Masters are not ground up anything
But they are processed through a ground up mixture after tanned and pressed though. There’s the confusion point for the person.
Not sure what you’re saying here. LePro is oak-tanned and pressed water buffalo hide.
As I understand it, they're made of water buffalo just like Triangles, Elks, Triumphs, WB's, etc. It's not a composite. The hardness is dictated by tanning process, and color is a byproduct of the specific tanning process.
Freddie is dead-on here. None of the Tweeten tips are chopped leather/composite. Vegetable tanning(oak is in this category) yields a harder/stiffer leather whereas chrome tanning gives a much softer, pliable leather.
The Elk Masters are tumbled in something similar to a rock polisher process. The abrasive material in the tumbler is to clean up the fuzzy edges that happen due to the chrome tanning process. Blue Masters Chalk is used, so this would be the ground up mixture you’re talking about.
A lot of people think that Elk Masters are impregnated with Masters Chalk. They’re covered with Masters Blue due to the tumbling, but they’re not impregnated. The blue coloring of the tip throughout is due to the blue chromium tanning process.
Freddie
Possibly I’m just going off what I’ve always been told as I’ve never seen the production data, I know it def seems like some of the composite leathers I have seen in the past. Triangles I was always told were from Elk/deer.
Ive always thought of it in passing and it makes more sense they are all made of same thing treated diff than diff source material.
This is a pretty cool page I’ve had linked for a while on leather working in general
http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/leather/hl.html
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I’ll bring up an odd tidbit about chromed leather. Some people really bad to touching or being around that, there was a show not long ago a woman bought a new pair of sandals and WOW her feet swole up like you couldn’t imagine, blisters and crazy stuff. It was the chromed leather, not that we actually handle tips in similar fashion but if something freakish ever happens to your hands that could be a possibility
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Poolplayers can ALWAYS use another excuse. "Dang chrome-tan on this darn tip made my finger swell up and i jawed the cheese".:thumbup:
Same like I had heard the older tri 15mm were from thicker cuts of hide....who knows lol
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how do you have a composite leather? cross a Deer with an Elk? Delk?
Glue wether natural manmade.
Same as they do basically with reconstituted stones such as turquoise or how McDermott used a lot of recon ivory, ivory dust and glue
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https://www.leather-dictionary.com/index.php/Thickness_of_leather
"Cow leather is so thick that it is usually split into two usable parts. An un-split cattle skin has a thickness of about 45 millimetres."
45mm = ~1 3/4"
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