National Billiard News -- RIP

jay helfert

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JAM said:
I always liked that name: "John Cash." :D

I remember seeing him at the Joss Tour Turning Stone Casino tournament in February 2005. He was there with pen and paper in his hand, soaking up the venue to write an article, but like everybody else when they visit Turning Stone Casino, he decided to gamble on the game tables. First night, he won $6,500! He was one happy camper that whole 3-day event! Took it home with him, too! :D

When I read the thread I wrote about the tournament, I was reminded of our great win that weekend. As Keith is wont to do when he's on the shortskies, he recruited a crap tables committee, a group of five hungry gamblers willing to post up $200 apiece and let Keith, Chief Dice Roller, try to get on a roll. Well, he managed to hold the table for 'about an hour. He talks to the dice when he rolls 'em, which had everybody at the table in stiches, whooping and hollering at his every throw. I'd never seen so many black chips before. He pulled in about $15,000 total. The pit bosses immediately came forth and took notice, with all the commotion going on. We even ended up getting our room comped. :cool:

Here's a picture I snapped of a smiling John Cash and Keith that weekend. :p

JAM

Among his other skills, nobody knows their way around a crap table any better than the Ether. He is simply remarkable when it comes to figuring odds and payoffs. Heaven forbid a dealer tries to shortchange him.

And if he gets on a roll, look out! He has made several monster scores with the dice. One quick story especially for Jam, his main squeeze. It's during the Brunswick World Open in 1988 at Caesar's Palace. I have been working late into the night, directing the tourney until the last match ended about 2:30 AM. Pat Fleming had long gone to bed. Poor baby.

After I clear the room and have security shut things down, it's well after 3 AM. I'm walking down the hall and who do I see walking toward me but the ETHER man himself. I'm tired but I ask him how things are going. He replies, "Not too bad", and reaches in his pocket and pulls out a gargantuan wad of money. So big it takes his full hand span to hold it all. Just a huge bundle of 50's and 100's. "How do you like it" Keith asks me.

By now I have a big smile on my face, tired as I am. Keith now reaches in his other front pocket and pulls out another similar sized wad of do-re-mi. OMG is what I'm thinking. There is like 40 or 50 thou in his hands, that he's flashing before me. And he has a smile on his face that could light up a dark room. I'm a little out of breath. Next thing I know, Keith says what's our number? Meaning how much does he owe me. I can't think straight, so I tell him I can't remember.

Keith says it's either 440 or 460, but will I settle for 500 even. I say sure and he peels off five big ones, hands them to me, and stuffs the rest back in his pockets, and wanders on down the hall. And that my friends is what makes Keith Keith. There will never be another one like him!
 
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Kevin Lindstrom

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How about this

Bob Jewett said:
I was startled to read in the latest issue of The National Billiard News (not the April 1st edition) that they are ceasing publication with that issue. Current subscribers will be transferred to Prof. Q-Ball's Gazette for the remainder of their subscriptions.

The NBN started in the 60's and was for a long time the only national publication available that covered just cue sports. Bob Byrne has an amusing story in one of his books about Earl Newby, the original publisher, whose motto seems to have been, "All the pool news that fits, we print." For quite a while NBN has been published by Conrad Burkman, who was a referee at the first US Open I saw in 1969. If you have been to major tournaments, you have probably seen Conrad taking pictures.

Over its 40-plus years of existence, the NBN has published a lot of material you won't find elsewhere.

As I didn't get into pool and billiards until the 80's I had missed alot of these publications. From what it sounds it looks as if I have missed alot of good reading and coverage. Is there any chance that maybe Jay Helfert could pick up where Conrad left off and continue this publication? Maybe Jay could get some wonderful literary help from the likes of JAM, Grady, Scott Lee, Bill Porter, Scott Smith and any and all others with vast pool knowledge that would be interested in keeping this Billiards News alive and well. I will be the first to subscribe if someone is interested and capable of making this publication last. ANYBODY??????????
 

jay helfert

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Kevin Lindstrom said:
As I didn't get into pool and billiards until the 80's I had missed alot of these publications. From what it sounds it looks as if I have missed alot of good reading and coverage. Is there any chance that maybe Jay Helfert could pick up where Conrad left off and continue this publication? Maybe Jay could get some wonderful literary help from the likes of JAM, Grady, Scott Lee, Bill Porter, Scott Smith and any and all others with vast pool knowledge that would be interested in keeping this Billiards News alive and well. I will be the first to subscribe if someone is interested and capable of making this publication last. ANYBODY??????????

Thanks for the compliment and the suggestion. Just to let you know it is a huge undertaking to publish a monthly newspaper like the NBN. I know because I have worked on one previously and produced several of magazine style souvenir programs.

I'm just not up for this job at this time. I would prefer to lend my efforts to other publications. I am writing semi regularly for Billiards Digest now. The articles in the current issue about the UPA Tour Championships and the U.S. Bar Table Championships were written by me. I should have received a credit, but at least I got the check. lol
 

PoolSharkAllen

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jay helfert said:
I'm just not up for this job at this time. I would prefer to lend my efforts to other publications. I am writing semi regularly for Billiards Digest now. The articles in the current issue about the UPA Tour Championships and the U.S. Bar Table Championships were written by me. I should have received a credit, but at least I got the check. lol
...and Jay is also busy writing a new book, "All About Shanelle." ;) :D :p
 

JAM

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jay helfert said:
Among his other skills, nobody knows their way around a crap table any better than the Ether...And that my friends is what makes Keith Keith. There will never be another one like him!

I love that Keith story. I can't wait for him to rise and shine this morning, so that I can show it to him. :D I wish I could remember all of his dice calls. "Come on, gimme a lil numba now" and "Colonel, come get the troops out of the hot sun now" are the only ones that come to mind at the time of this writing.

My pool library is all out of sorts right now, and my NBNs are not in chronological order, something that I should not let happen. I remember one that you wrote, Jay, about the upcoming Tahoe event. It was called "Tahoe Favorites," where you gave odds on all the pool players who were competing in it. You had Keith 8 to 1, I think, and said he was" "Mr. Cool, the Ultimate Nine-ball Player." :D

Then there's the NBN of June 1979, an article entitled "It's Mcreaty [sic] For The California Cheese." Their spelling and punctuation wasn't as good as it could be back then, but I ain't complaining. There is nowhere else to find this data other than NBN. It is sad that they are not going to exist anymore.

I love the descriptions of the players in this article. Here's a few tidbits: The beautiful antique $5,000 teakwood pool tables used in the tournament were furnished by Rebco. It was posh and class all the way.

Minnesota Fats performed prior to the day and evening sessions. Mike Massey and George Middleditch were the new attraction this year.

The 64-man field for this tournament included champions Dan Louie, Larry Hubbart, Louie Roberts, Paul Brienza, Rodney Thompson, Dallas West, Ronnie Allen, and Tony Annagoni...Other top players were cuemaker/player Bill STroud, Tacoma Whitey, Roy Futternick, Lee Boyer, and a great player rarely seen in tournament play, Jay (Swanee) Swanson...Tacoma Whitey, who had gone undefeated, suffered a haert attack. The news cast a pall over the tournament...Jack Madden, a "johnny-come-lately" from Arizona, ignited the crowds with his great all-around playing ability. Ronnie Allen was a more subdued and conscientious player this year. The "gray fox" came to play and play he did. The years seemed to fall away with every shot as the crowds sat mesmerized watching the greatness of Ronnie Allen. He may have come in sixth, but he walked away from this tournament with the homage accorded a winner.


Here's the beginning of a great ending to the story: As Doug Klish announced the players, all eyes were on Keith. It was common knowledge he had been in a game till early morn, and he looked tired and drawn. Hubbart on the other hand sat in a complete repose, confidence personified. Despite this, the sweaters had Keith up for the win, and you had to admire their optimism.

The match got underway, and Hubbart played as he had throughouth the tournament, cold and in dead stroke. Keith played as if sleepwalking. The outcome was inevitable. Hubbart took it, 11-6.
:eek:

Now comes the good part of the double-elimination event: The crowd grumbled at Keith's poor showing, and the sweaters shifted to a lower gear that bordered on masochism.

In the final and crucial match, Hubbart again took the lead 6-2, as the crowd sat in stunned disbelief. Now it was Keith's turn at the table. It must have seemed 20-feet long with pockets the size of walnuts, but tired as he looked, Keith seemed to be more in command.

Playing with heart and sheer determination, he ran out. The crowd came to life, hollering encouragement as the sweaters shifted gears back to optimism, their feet hovering over the clutch.

Keith had gotten his first wind and was playing great safeties and running out racks back to back. The score was now 6-5 with Hubbart in the lead by one game, but he wasn't fazed by Keith's comeback -- ever the Ice Man. But Keith was ready. He hadn't come this far to go down to an ignoble end. Hubbart never won another game, as Keith took it down, 11-6.

The crowd gave the players a rousing ovation as the sweaters sat quietly adjusting their money clips or stretching that rubber band a bit more.


The above-referenced article is only a sampling from NBN, and it captures an era in American pool which is quite different than today. Mention of Ronnie Allen, as an example, can draw a variety of responses, but those who lived pool during this time, as evidenced above, are aware of how great Ronnie Allen played, a true American champion and an unsung pool hero in today's pool world.

It is my understanding that before Conrad took over NBN, the issues of the '60s and early '70s of NBN are not available for purchase. If anyone has them, I would be interested in purchasing them if the price does not exceed my pocketbook!

JAM
 
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JAM

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Here's another little interesting NBN tidbit and pool factoid: Robert W. Hayward pocketed 8,246 balls in 24 hours, according to the Guiness Book of Records. The feat, which averaged out to one ball every 10.47 seconds, was accomplished at Bloch Arena, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on October 7-8, 1977.

Ladies pro pool is much more popular on TV today than the guys. Maybe the J.M. Brunswick & Balke Co. got it right in the 1800s: Billiards was advertised in 1882 as a game suitably genteel for ladies.

Then there's the article about Mike Sigel winning the Maryland State Championship in 1979. Interestingly, second place went to Cigar Tom Vanover, but it was the third-place winner that caught my attention, none other than Gregg Sullivan, promoter of today's annual Derby City Classic as well as the main Diamond Billiards guy. :D

JAM
 

Jack Madden

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JAM - thank you

JAM said:
I love that Keith story. I can't wait for him to rise and shine this morning, so that I can show it to him. :D I wish I could remember all of his dice calls. "Come on, gimme a lil numba now" and "Colonel, come get the troops out of the hot sun now" are the only ones that come to mind at the time of this writing.

My pool library is all out of sorts right now, and my NBNs are not in chronological order, something that I should not let happen. I remember one that you wrote, Jay, about the upcoming Tahoe event. It was called "Tahoe Favorites," where you gave odds on all the pool players who were competing in it. You had Keith 8 to 1, I think, and said he was" "Mr. Cool, the Ultimate Nine-ball Player." :D

Then there's the NBN of June 1979, an article entitled "It's Mcreaty [sic] For The California Cheese." Their spelling and punctuation wasn't as good as it could be back then, but I ain't complaining. There is nowhere else to find this data other than NBN. It is sad that they are not going to exist anymore.

I love the descriptions of the players in this article. Here's a few tidbits: The beautiful antique $5,000 teakwood pool tables used in the tournament were furnished by Rebco. It was posh and class all the way.

Minnesota Fats performed prior to the day and evening sessions. Mike Massey and George Middleditch were the new attraction this year.

The 64-man field for this tournament included champions Dan Louie, Larry Hubbart, Louie Roberts, Paul Brienza, Rodney Thompson, Dallas West, Ronnie Allen, and Tony Annagoni...Other top players were cuemaker/player Bill STroud, Tacoma Whitey, Roy Futternick, Lee Boyer, and a great player rarely seen in tournament play, Jay (Swanee) Swanson...Tacoma Whitey, who had gone undefeated, suffered a haert attack. The news cast a pall over the tournament...Jack Madden, a "johnny-come-lately" from Arizona, ignited the crowds with his great all-around playing ability. Ronnie Allen was a more subdued and conscientious player this year. The "gray fox" came to play and play he did. The years seemed to fall away with every shot as the crowds sat mesmerized watching the greatness of Ronnie Allen. He may have come in sixth, but he walked away from this tournament with the homage accorded a winner.


Here's the beginning of a great ending to the story: As Doug Klish announced the players, all eyes were on Keith. It was common knowledge he had been in a game till early morn, and he looked tired and drawn. Hubbart on the other hand sat in a complete repose, confidence personified. Despite this, the sweaters had Keith up for the win, and you had to admire their optimism.

The match got underway, and Hubbart played as he had throughouth the tournament, cold and in dead stroke. Keith played as if sleepwalking. The outcome was inevitable. Hubbart took it, 11-6.
:eek:

Now comes the good part of the double-elimination event: The crowd grumbled at Keith's poor showing, and the sweaters shifted to a lower gear that bordered on masochism.

In the final and crucial match, Hubbart again took the lead 6-2, as the crowd sat in stunned disbelief. Now it was Keith's turn at the table. It must have seemed 20-feet long with pockets the size of walnuts, but tired as he looked, Keith seemed to be more in command.

Playing with heart and sheer determination, he ran out. The crowd came to life, hollering encouragement as the sweaters shifted gears back to optimism, their feet hovering over the clutch.

Keith had gotten his first wind and was playing great safeties and running out racks back to back. The score was now 6-5 with Hubbart in the lead by one game, but he wasn't fazed by Keith's comeback -- ever the Ice Man. But Keith was ready. He hadn't come this far to go down to an ignoble end. Hubbart never won another game, as Keith took it down, 11-6.

The crowd gave the players a rousing ovation as the sweaters sat quietly adjusting their money clips or stretching that rubber band a bit more.


The above-referenced article is only a sampling from NBN, and it captures an era in American pool which is quite different than today. Mention of Ronnie Allen, as an example, can draw a variety of responses, but those who lived pool during this time, as evidenced above, are aware of how great Ronnie Allen played, a true American champion and an unsung pool hero in today's pool world.

It is my understanding that before Conrad took over NBN, the issues of the '60s and early '70s of NBN are not available for purchase. If anyone has them, I would be interested in purchasing them if the price does not exceed my pocketbook!

JAM

Thank you. I never saw this article with a blurb about me - and it is a nice surprise and start for the week. Did Mike Ives write the article? - he was writing for the big Phoenix daily paper (Arizona Republic) about this time and did billiards articles (I think every chance he got)
 

TheBook

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I started a subscription in 1985. Paid for it for 2 years. Never sent in for a renewal but kept receiving it. Somehow someone got wise and took my name off of the list about 4 years ago. Saved every issue and about a year ago I threw them into the paper recycling box.

I guess there are too many ways to get info about pool today.
 

Bob Jewett

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TheBook said:
... Saved every issue and about a year ago I threw them into the paper recycling box.

I guess there are too many ways to get info about pool today.
This is true until you want some info from five or ten or twenty years ago. Sometimes http://archive.org works and sometimes it doesn't and you need to fall back on paper.
 

jay helfert

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Jack Madden said:
Thank you. I never saw this article with a blurb about me - and it is a nice surprise and start for the week. Did Mike Ives write the article? - he was writing for the big Phoenix daily paper (Arizona Republic) about this time and did billiards articles (I think every chance he got)


That has to be Mike Ives. He was a very talented writer. Wonder if he is still with us. Haven't seen him in years. He played pretty good One Hole also.
 

JAM

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TheBook said:
I started a subscription in 1985. Paid for it for 2 years. Never sent in for a renewal but kept receiving it. Somehow someone got wise and took my name off of the list about 4 years ago. Saved every issue and about a year ago I threw them into the paper recycling box.

I guess there are too many ways to get info about pool today.

I have experienced a great deal of difficulty in obtaining pool-related data from certain era in American pool. NBN has been a gold mine for me, as well as the National Tavern News, another oldie but goodie full of tidbits and snippets of an era gone by.

JAM
 

JG-in-KY

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Voodoo Daddy said:
JG-IN-KY may have every issue every published:D , well according to his wife he does. Show us a few covers JG, will ya?
Nah, actually the first issue I have is from 1981. It was a great source of information at a time when it was hard to get any. I'll try to post up a couple of interesting covers when I figure out how to scan them (they are too big for my scanner). Speaking of Mike Ives I have a great article of his from Tropic magazine (The Miami Herald), May 1985. Its his story about hustling in Florida. I would put it on here if it wasn't so long, plus I don't know about using his story without his permission..
 
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