US Open 9-Ball 2016 -- Rules
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Yes you are correct. Recently was watching past MC from 2010 to 2012. In some of those years, they used illegal break rule but last year they did not so I tot last year was still using illegal break rule
Another thing, in earlier MC, for past the headstring determination, they used base of ball. But that was harder to judge so in subsequent years, they changed to any part of ball
Thanks for your inquiry.
Placing the Accu-Rack on the rail is a recipe for problems. As these types of racks have become the norm, we have seen many instances when disputes have ensued as a result of balls in play coming into contact with the rack. It takes just a few seconds to remove it entirely and avoid potential problems.
The 2-ball will be placed as the last ball in the back of the rack, directly in a straight line from the 1-ball through the 9-ball.
Karl Kantrowitz
Can you explain the rationale behind not allowing either player to play push out after an illegal break? This seems to go against conventional rule. (Player who broke the rack can call push out if shot is given back by opponent after an illegal break.)
Thank you!
Thank you!
I make a ball but fail to get two balls into the kitchen. Illegal break. I'm also hooked on the one ball. It would be too brutal for my opponent to give the shot back to me without a pushout allowed.
On the other hand, if my opponent takes the shot it sort of doesn't make sense for him to play a pushout from the position, but I agree that it would not be unreasonable to allow it. It's one of those choices of roughly equal alternatives that has to be made when the rules are written, I guess.
The wording is ambiguous, but this means on the back apex of the rack. This rule is fairly common and has been used for about 15 years in various tournaments.
At times I believe the MC table has been tapped/trained even when the triangle has been used. Also in the MC the players never rack. Allowing players to rack with a standard triangle leads to problems.
I think it should be played like this:
If you make an "illegal" break it is "illegal", no matter what is the outcome of the table after the balls are broken, even if you have made something on the break The breaker has lost his turn at the table.
If the opponent is now hooked on the next ball to be shot, he should be able to give the shot back, ask for a rerack, or be able to push out. If he gives the shot back, the original breaker should not be allowed to push. At that point, the original breaker should then have to make a "legal" shot or it is BIH for the other player.
FWIW, I don't like the idea of ANY break being ILLEGAL if a ball is pocketed on the break, no matter if no balls go to the opposite end of the table. Especially if the game isn't winner break. If you don't like the way I'm pocketing a ball on the break, do the same thing when it is your turn to break.
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The rule we commonly apply here (Taiwan, China) is that in an illegal break situation, the opponent can elect to shoot as is, or give the shot back to the breaker, but because opponent has the choice to shoot or not, he cannot play a pushout shot. Only the breaker can play pushout because once the shot is given back, breaker has no choice but to play.
Thanks.
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I don't really get it. The push-out provides a strategic alternative to having no shot after the break. Why shouldn't it also apply to an illegal break?
The intention must be for further punishment for an illegal break: If it's a weak break and there's no shot, your opponent will just turn it back to you and you have to kick at it.
Yes, jeans can, and often are, weird.
That's why we instituted the rule.
However, some jeans don't look like jeans at all.
They may appear to be black pants, neat and somewhat "dressy."
Those may be allowed at my discretion.
Karl Kantrowitz,
Tournament Director
The legend of Billy's Jeans...
You shouldn't o', hadn't o', oughtn't o' opened that can of worms.
You shouldn't o', hadn't o', oughtn't o' opened that can of worms.
For future tournaments you need more space between tables to implement the 40s/shot rule even if 1 referee/table. You cant wait for the guy on next table to shoot his shot while your shot clock is running down. Nor you can stop the clock to wait for him.