Vision Centre Shift
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took some quick reference pics with my iphone.....yup i have a smart phone now....i know shocker
you can get a straight wrist any way you like, but pointing the thumb down is basically the most easy imop.....and the thumb mechanically sets "straighter" down off the bat going off the first, then increases its orientation at the middle and is pretty nut naturally on the ring finger.....
have shared with a few local guys that really like it, they were previous finger touchers as well, just never moved from the index to the middle or never tried past that middle finger. They all learned the touch from me some time ago anyways so were open to adjustment.
-Greyghost
you can get a straight wrist any way you like, but pointing the thumb down is basically the most easy imop.....and the thumb mechanically sets "straighter" down off the bat going off the first, then increases its orientation at the middle and is pretty nut naturally on the ring finger.....
have shared with a few local guys that really like it, they were previous finger touchers as well, just never moved from the index to the middle or never tried past that middle finger. They all learned the touch from me some time ago anyways so were open to adjustment.
-Greyghost
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tell the world lol:thumbup:
My wrist is nice and straight all throughout the stroke. The vision shift doesn't make a difference to my cueing at all. I can still score heavy and make the breaks I just find it odd. Everything I've read points to it being fixed but I'm experiencing something different. It may be due to fatigue or lighting, who knows.
roger that buddy....just offered it up to make sure, you know how troubleshooting goes.....i been wanting to write something about that hand postition again and 3rd finger etc.
Do it! I enjoy reading tips from other players. Can never have enough pool advice. I appreciate yours and everyone else's help in trying to get to the bottom of this.
I'd like to see a thread on your thoughts on the grip. It will help lots of players out as I think it causes the most common issues with amateurs cueing.
Thanks for the kind words on my write up Keebie.
I'm a retired DDC designer and troubleshooter. It was a lot of fun........logically
John
Here's something that's helped me recently. I use to be focused on trying to get the cue under my chin in the same spot every time.
What I've discovered (and this could be a byproduct of my previous use of CTE) is that the angle of my cue will vary depending on the shot, and this puts the cue in different spot in relation to my eyes.
So I stopped worrying about the cue, and started focusing more on the location of my eyes. Or more importantly, my vision center.
As I've mentioned before my vision center (or whatever you want to call it) is slightly inside my left eye. Now all I do is when down on the shot, make sure that my VC is on the shot line. I don't even worry about how the cue is lined up except for where the tip is going to contact the cue ball.
What I've discovered (and this could be a byproduct of my previous use of CTE) is that the angle of my cue will vary depending on the shot, and this puts the cue in different spot in relation to my eyes.
So I stopped worrying about the cue, and started focusing more on the location of my eyes. Or more importantly, my vision center.
As I've mentioned before my vision center (or whatever you want to call it) is slightly inside my left eye. Now all I do is when down on the shot, make sure that my VC is on the shot line. I don't even worry about how the cue is lined up except for where the tip is going to contact the cue ball.
Hope that those that asked for my write-up have had the success this player has had:
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Hello John,
I wanted to say a big thank you for your article. Not only did I read it, but I immediately went downstairs and tried it out.
The results were fantastic.
I practice a lot of late night sessions because of job and kids and stuff, and some nights my consistency has been off. In fact the last week or so I hit a rut where I wasn't sure about my perception of the shot...I was guessing.
But your articles nailed it. I'm cross eye dominant (shoot right, strong eye left) so I started to just use the right eye to find the shot line, and then step into the shot and naturally fall into the stance with left eye favoured (just letting it happen).
Also, your recommendations of utilizing left eye for cuts to left, then right eye for cuts to right was wonderful.
Needless to say, that very night I was popping the pockets and stroking them in. Had trouble falling asleep after that, I was so excited.
You were correct in saying how it's a task to get oneself to do this automatically, and until then, I'm taking my time and physically closing the eye that is not being used to find the line and align myself, until it all gets buried deep in the subconscious. But I truly truly believe THIS was definite problem I was having but just didn't know why.
You solved it and I thank you for that bit of advice.
I am very grateful.
Thank you,
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The eyes lead and put the body in the correct position with the shot line. We have a parallax error in our vision. This is no problem when looking at objects. But when we have to pick out a minute point on an OB then parallax error becomes a problem. Your eyes will seem like they are fighting each other trying to find this point.
The parallax error in our vision is corrected by correct positioning of the body.
I'm happy that I was able to help.
Thank You.
John
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Hello John,
I wanted to say a big thank you for your article. Not only did I read it, but I immediately went downstairs and tried it out.
The results were fantastic.
I practice a lot of late night sessions because of job and kids and stuff, and some nights my consistency has been off. In fact the last week or so I hit a rut where I wasn't sure about my perception of the shot...I was guessing.
But your articles nailed it. I'm cross eye dominant (shoot right, strong eye left) so I started to just use the right eye to find the shot line, and then step into the shot and naturally fall into the stance with left eye favoured (just letting it happen).
Also, your recommendations of utilizing left eye for cuts to left, then right eye for cuts to right was wonderful.
Needless to say, that very night I was popping the pockets and stroking them in. Had trouble falling asleep after that, I was so excited.
You were correct in saying how it's a task to get oneself to do this automatically, and until then, I'm taking my time and physically closing the eye that is not being used to find the line and align myself, until it all gets buried deep in the subconscious. But I truly truly believe THIS was definite problem I was having but just didn't know why.
You solved it and I thank you for that bit of advice.
I am very grateful.
Thank you,
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The eyes lead and put the body in the correct position with the shot line. We have a parallax error in our vision. This is no problem when looking at objects. But when we have to pick out a minute point on an OB then parallax error becomes a problem. Your eyes will seem like they are fighting each other trying to find this point.
The parallax error in our vision is corrected by correct positioning of the body.
I'm happy that I was able to help.
Thank You.
John
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My vision center is not directly between both eyes. When I get tired, I move the cue between my eyes and start to miss something awful. When I am out of stroke I miss when I am fresh.
Lighting doesn't seem to be a problem for me as I can play almost in total darkness. Lol
JoeyA
Lighting doesn't seem to be a problem for me as I can play almost in total darkness. Lol
JoeyA
This is the drill I shoot everyday. The first 30 balls are shot using a stop shot. The second 30 are shot using high and having the cue QB follow the OB into the target pocket. (the high spin shots are the ones I call the truth in your set up and stroke. If you can't do this with some accuracy, how can you ever be expected to send the cue ball to the OB accurately)
Shoot 10 balls at each OB location. The OB moves closer to the target pocket after each 10 shots (30 total)
This drill is used to get your body in alignment with the shot line as viewed with your weakest eye (this corrects for the parallax error in your vision) from a standing position. As you bend down to shoot the shots your dominant eye will guide your cue onto the shot line.
If your having an issue let your left shoulder/arm lead (assuming you are right handed) as you bend down to shoot the shots.
Have fun.
John
Shoot 10 balls at each OB location. The OB moves closer to the target pocket after each 10 shots (30 total)
This drill is used to get your body in alignment with the shot line as viewed with your weakest eye (this corrects for the parallax error in your vision) from a standing position. As you bend down to shoot the shots your dominant eye will guide your cue onto the shot line.
If your having an issue let your left shoulder/arm lead (assuming you are right handed) as you bend down to shoot the shots.
Have fun.
John
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This is the drill I shoot everyday. The first 30 balls are shot using a stop shot. The second 30 are shot using high and having the cue QB follow the OB into the target pocket. (the high spin shots are the ones I call the truth in your set up)
Shoot 10 balls at each OB location. The OB moves closer to the target pocket after each 10 shots (30 total)
This drill is used to get your body in alignment with the shot line as viewed with your weakest eye (this corrects for the parallax error in your vision) from a standing position. As you bend down to shoot the shots your dominant eye will guide your cue onto the shot line.
If your having an issue let your left arm lead (assuming you are right handed) as you bend down to shoot the shots.
Have fun.
John
i been doing those about 13-14 years....i've always called them the indian guide lol......tonto leading the lone ranger to the hideout
it is a great shot and is the TRUTH....the best drills imop incorporate items from this shot.if you cant be dead nut on a straight in.....you cant be dead on, on a cut shot.
its like with our games.....our top gear is very hard to increase....but your B GAME, well thats got alot of range to improve greatly all the time....
the straighter you can resolve yourself to get in line on a straight in then the closer your going to get to your true marks on cut shots.
and dont forget the visualization once your down in the box
-Greyghost
This is the drill I shoot everyday. The first 30 balls are shot using a stop shot. The second 30 are shot using high and having the cue QB follow the OB into the target pocket. (the high spin shots are the ones I call the truth in your set up)
Shoot 10 balls at each OB location. The OB moves closer to the target pocket after each 10 shots (30 total)
This drill is used to get your body in alignment with the shot line as viewed with your weakest eye (this corrects for the parallax error in your vision) from a standing position. As you bend down to shoot the shots your dominant eye will guide your cue onto the shot line.
If your having an issue let your left arm lead (assuming you are right handed) as you bend down to shoot the shots.
Have fun.
John
I do something very similar. I use a version which is 5 shots with a lot of draw, 5 shots with about a foot of draw, 5 stop shots, 5 stun follow shots and 5 follow shots hoping to make the CB also. Having been in a slump now for almost a year I tried this again with my head where I had become use too, I made 16 out of 25. Really abysmal compared to what I use to do. I moved my head around and finally found I needed to move my head a few inches to the right. All of a sudden I was in the 20 range averaging around 23 out of 25. Night and day difference and my confidence on the shot went up significantly.
Al
i know this is an old thread but can you elaborate a bit on this comment?i don't fully understand what you mean.
In Trapshooting they found that when you get tired you tend to "cross fire" meaning the eye opposite your shooting side is trying to take over. A lot of pros have sight blinders at the end of their barrel to help overcome this. See picture. I am not sure what can be done in pool other than don't play when you are tired.
Has anyone tried to shoot with one eye closed? Like shooing with a rifle? It may solve some problems.