snooker or pool?

A lot of good answers here. I agree with most of them.

Having lived in England for 8 years, I got the chance to go to many of the professional snooker events and watch players like O'Sullivan, Hendry, Higgins, Davis, White and many more. I dabled playing snooker a while with a high run of 72, but in no way does that even make me good at the game. I mainly play pool and have a deep love for all games billiard related. I can watch and love to play all of them.

That being said, each game has their own special characteristic that makes them tough. In snooker, the basic size of the table, and the round pockets makes playing difficult. I played snooker on a table that was 6' x 12'. The safety part of the game is one of the main differences in the game. On a snooker table all you had to do is leave somebody at the other end of the table and that was normally enough. The pro's are good enough that they can also put you behind one of the colors on the "D", but if that's not successful, the length alone acts as a safety. That's not always possible in pool. In pool you have to lock somebody down in order to draw a foul.

The MAIN reason the safety play is different is because in pool after you make contact with the object ball, something has to be driven to a rail or pocketed. You have to worry about the cue-ball and the position of the object ball. In snooker you can roll up to a ball or to the pack. Nothing has to be driven to a rail, so you normally only have to worry about the position of the cue-ball. If there are reds on the table, but you fall out of position on a color ball, you can simply roll up to the color and leave the cue-ball behind it, leaving the color ball between the cue-ball and the reds.

Having to drive balls to a rail when playing safeties or kicking out of safeties is a BIG part of what makes safeties a little tougher playing pool over playing snooker.

I will say that you will not find better potters of the ball than snooker players, where the snooker players fall short on are safety play and breaking. It only takes a little time for the good snooker players to learn those particular skills. Good snooker players can adapt to playing pool a lot easier than pool players could adapt to playing snooker.

JMHO
 
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The MAIN reason the safety play is different is because in pool after you make contact with the object ball, something has to be driven to a rail or pocketed. You have to worry about the cue-ball and the position of the object ball.

Having to drive balls to a rail when playing safeties or kicking out of safeties is a BIG part of what makes safeties a little tougher playing pool over playing snooker.
True, but make no mistake that that same "hooking" technique applies to snooker as well along with other safeties that aren't benefited in pool and in fact gives edge to snooker over pool in difficulty level due to sheer size differences in equipment. 8/9/10 pool games are a lot easier and can be over in seconds without having to actually play out the table, LOL.

Good snooker players can adapt to playing pool a lot easier than pool players could adapt to playing snooker.
True and that what makes snooker a whole lota sophisticated over pool games.

Btw, are those gorgeous Asians relatives of your? Just curious!
 
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True and that what makes snooker a whole lota sophisticated over pool games.

Btw, are those gorgeous Asians relatives of your? Just curious!

Snooker is definitely full of players that are more "POSH" than pool players. LOL

Those gorgeous Asians, are actually one gorgeous, incredibly sweet, and incredible Korean pool player named Yu Ram Cha. She doesn't know it yet, but she is my future ex-wife!!:grin:
 
Snooker is definitely full of players that are more "POSH" than pool players. LOL
Yep, that too.
Those gorgeous Asians, are actually one gorgeous, incredibly sweet, and incredible Korean pool player named Yu Ram Cha. She doesn't know it yet, but she is my future ex-wife!!:grin:
Sure look spicy and delicious. Had similar one 'eons ago' and looking at those pics and in reality simply arouses my curiosity and good 'ol memories.:wink:
 
quote "On a snooker table all you had to do is leave somebody at the other end of the table and that was normally enough."

As I stated earlier this is not top level safety. If you let a pro get his hand on the table his potting percentage is very high and he will knock these in and also will have a consistently high level of scoring.
Making the occasional 70 or 80 for a pool player is not what it takes to win at snooker, creating opportunities and being able to most often take advantage thats the key, heck there are thousands of club level players in the UK that make centuries and play balk area safeties but they are not able to capitalize in all situations consistently and tyhey don't play jam up safety.
 
Then you must be a snooker player? Who did you beat? I ask because pool players do not run consistent centuries at snooker...unless we have a different understanding of the word 'consistent'.

A few months ago I had a small chat with Tony Drago at Duffel, Belgium where European snooker championships were held this year. I specifically asked him whether any pool players play decent snooker. He flat out said 'No'. He gives around 60 point handicap if they want to play. Corey Deuel tried and let's just say he didn't have a chance...
But I was persistant and wanted to hear from Tony what he thought of Corey's snooker game, did he show any promise, etc... He said 'he can make a 20 break'. Go figure.

Ha ha. I think I'd Tony has a better chance of catching malaria than he does of beating someone like Efren or Alex P giving them 60 point spots. Efren ran back-to-back 130s on a tight 12' snooker table in Detroit back in the mid 90s. Several people saw this. Parica said flat out he would play Thorburn snooker EVEN in LA and bet as much as $100K. Kirk Stevens played snooker against Efren once for something like $1000 a game and quit after three games. Now I'm not saying those guys could compete against the top players in the game, but they can certainly are not to be taken lightly - make no mistake.

Tony Drago meanwhile is a guy who crossed over into pool and had some success, and makes it LOOK like snooker is a far harder pursuit but seriously, how do you really think he would fare in a race to 100 10-ball against someone like Dennis Orcollo, SVB, or Alex P? Forgetaboutit.

As for my definition of consistent - come play me some and find out.
 
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quote "On a snooker table all you had to do is leave somebody at the other end of the table and that was normally enough."

As I stated earlier this is not top level safety. If you let a pro get his hand on the table his potting percentage is very high and he will knock these in and also will have a consistently high level of scoring.
Making the occasional 70 or 80 for a pool player is not what it takes to win at snooker, creating opportunities and being able to most often take advantage thats the key, heck there are thousands of club level players in the UK that make centuries and play balk area safeties but they are not able to capitalize in all situations consistently and tyhey don't play jam up safety.

You're right in that distance is only part of the equation, but where you're wrong is in the fact that many of the safeties in snooker bear a very familiar pattern. I mean yes there's a lot of skill required in playing a thin safety of the stack, avoiding some loose reds, and then missing the blue and balk colors to leave the guy in a tricky position. No question. But there's also no question that at snooker you have a lot of places to hide. Distance is one thing, sure, but those color balls cover a lot of real estate when it comes to defense.

But you guys get hung up on thinking pool is just 8,9 or 10 ball. Compare snooker to straight pool, where you still have to defend an entire stack of 15 balls but DISTANCE DOESN'T SAVE you and THERE'RE NO BALK COLORS to hide behind. Basically if you play safe at that game you can't leave the guy (and that's any guy, not just the top 10) any kind of a shot or they'll make it and run a million balls. You've got to be pretty creative to find places on the table where you basically leave the guy nothing. No shots, no combos, no banks, no billiards (or canons), no dead ones in the stack - nothing.

Put up a rack of 15 reds sometime and try that - to play safe and leave no shots whatsoever. I bet you can't hit three in a row. (Bear in mind that the opening shot requires that TWO object balls and the cueball hit rails, so don't just roll into the stack and say you win). Hell, I'll let you pick a random name from the top 20 and bet they can't do it.

Here's another exercise. In America a popular game is bank pool. In that game the only way you can score is by making a bank (what y'all call a 'double'). So next time you're at a table, grab a cueball and an object ball and just throw them around the table. Now wait for the balls to stop moving and then try and play safe - WITHOUT LEAVING A BANK. And I'm not talking about a hard bank shot, I'm talking about ANY bank*. Remember that all shots at bank pool require that at least one of the balls hits at least one cushion or it's a foul. Good luck.

Post the results of your efforts here. I think you'll find it interesting and you may even learn something. Perish the thought.




* Any reasonable bank anyways. But bear in mind, that does include one-rail, two-rail, three-rail, four-rail, and even five-rail banks. The good players in the US will make just about any shot you leave too, so be careful.
 
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Ha ha. Efren ran back-to-back 130s on a tight 12' snooker table in Detroit back in the mid 90s.

Boy am I tired of hearing this myth from Efren fanboys, the story changes each time too :D the man does not walk on water and there is no proof he can do anything on a snooker table.
 
Parica playing Cliff at snooker ?? was this recently, since Cliff is well past it and rarely plays it's understandable but if it was back in the 80s when Cliff was World champ then I am sure he would have bitten his arm off.
Pool players make me laugh sometimes :smile:
 
But you guys get hung up on thinking pool is just 8,9 or 10 ball.
You say this, but my disagreement with you and this dicussion started with you saying that safety was "nowhere near as intricate" in snooker as in games like nine-ball or one pocket. I singled out nine-ball and made a case for snooker that you failed to address, instead stating your opinion as fact and claiming to be an authority because you've made century breaks. If John Schmidt told me nine-ball was the greatest test of skill of all the games, I wouldn't be forced to take his word for it however well he plays.

The only arguments you've really offered so far are for straight pool and banks, neither of which you mentioned in your opening post.

Post the results of your efforts here. I think you'll find it interesting and you may even learn something. Perish the thought.
Again, you're coming across as a bit of an ass here, but at least you made a case for pool this time, even if it wasn't for the games you first mentioned.

About pool players 'moving' the ball no problem in snooker; I still don't agree.

Probably the only video available online of a pool player playing on a snooker table is of Jeremy Jones, and his movement isn't so hot in this game. I've seen Mizerak play snooker as well, and he didn't exactly have the cue ball on a string. The same can be said for snooker players playing pool, and I think that the differences in equipment alone account for most of this - certainly more so than the relative skill sets of the players. The differences in the size of the balls, the cloth and the cushion rails are enough to affect a player's touch when switching between games.
 
Parica playing Cliff at snooker ?? was this recently, since Cliff is well past it and rarely plays it's understandable but if it was back in the 80s when Cliff was World champ then I am sure he would have bitten his arm off.
Pool players make me laugh sometimes :smile:

This was in 2000 and it was a legit offer and I know that because I was there for the entire negotiation. Parica and Thorburn are about the same age, by the way - Cliff is less than a year older.

How do you explain Kirk quitting Efren after only three games? I was sitting about eight feet away from that debacle as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IocXrswOU1o
 
You would have to ask Kirk that, anyway he is another washed up player from the 80's.
But I think Parica and Reyes should just practice a couple extra hours on the big table and they could easily share in this kind of prize fund. and what with Reyes seemingly knocking in 130's at will he could easily snag the 147K GBP

World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money
World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money Winner: £250,000
World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money Runner Up: £125,000
World Snooker Championshipr 2009 Prize Money Semi Finalist: £52,000
World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money Quarter Finalist: £24,050
World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money Last 16: £16,000
World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money Last 32: £12,000
World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money Last 48: £8200
World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money Last 64: £4600
World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money Stage 1 high break: £1000
World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money Stage 2 high break: £10,000
World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money Stage 1 max: £5000
World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money Stage 2 max: £147,000

good luck
 
In my last post I used the phrase "washed up", I did not want to imply any disrespect to Cliff Thorburn, his many great achievements as a Canadian playing overseas were outstanding. Well done Cliff :)

Tournament wins

Ranking tournaments

* World Snooker Championship (1980)
* Goya Matchroom Trophy (1985)

Non-ranking tournaments

* Canadian Open (1974, 1978, 1979, 1980)
* Masters (1983, 1985, 1986)
* Scottish Masters (1985, 1986)
* Pot Black (1981)
* Canadian Professional Championship (1984, 1985, 1986, 1987)

Team tournaments

* World Cup (1982) with Canadian team

First to make a maximum at the world championships.
 
You say this, but my disagreement with you and this dicussion started with you saying that safety was "nowhere near as intricate" in snooker as in games like nine-ball or one pocket. I singled out nine-ball and made a case for snooker that you failed to address, instead stating your opinion as fact and claiming to be an authority because you've made century breaks. If John Schmidt told me nine-ball was the greatest test of skill of all the games, I wouldn't be forced to take his word for it however well he plays.

The only arguments you've really offered so far are for straight pool and banks, neither of which you mentioned in your opening post.


Again, you're coming across as a bit of an ass here, but at least you made a case for pool this time, even if it wasn't for the games you first mentioned.

About pool players 'moving' the ball no problem in snooker; I still don't agree.

Probably the only video available online of a pool player playing on a snooker table is of Jeremy Jones, and his movement isn't so hot in this game. I've seen Mizerak play snooker as well, and he didn't exactly have the cue ball on a string. The same can be said for snooker players playing pool, and I think that the differences in equipment alone account for most of this - certainly more so than the relative skill sets of the players. The differences in the size of the balls, the cloth and the cushion rails are enough to affect a player's touch when switching between games.

Sorry I didn't see your first post. Regardless I stand by what I said about the safety in 9 and 10 ball, but I was using the straight pool and banks exercises to help illustrate my point - or trying to. Regardless, I should have thought that for any game on a pool table it's obvious that there's a lot less 'safe' area than there is on a snooker table. I mean, are you people blind? Any ball even close to cushion is safe in snooker, ffs! The fact that a pool table is smaller and the pockets are bigger and more forgiving means it's hard as hell to leave a guy safe. Think about it.

Regarding your point about the 'shots to nothing' or 'two-way shots' you won't see them as much in rotation pool because obviously the next ball in rotation has to be in a position that lends itself to the two-way shot. In one-pocket, meanwhile, you see shot after shot like that.

As for coming across as an ass, well that's easily possible. But I did come in here and offer advice to try and help snooker players with their safety games. The fact that they don't want to hear what I have to say - or even really consider it, well I don't have a monopoly on being an ass, that's for sure.

Meanwhile, I will tell you one person who plays a lot of pool and has used the knowledge he gained from that to help his tactical play at snooker, and that's Mark Selby. If you don't believe me just ask him.
 
You would have to ask Kirk that, anyway he is another washed up player from the 80's.
But I think Parica and Reyes should just practice a couple extra hours on the big table and they could easily share in this kind of prize fund. and what with Reyes seemingly knocking in 130's at will he could easily snag the 147K GBP

World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money
World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money Winner: £250,000
World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money Runner Up: £125,000
World Snooker Championshipr 2009 Prize Money Semi Finalist: £52,000
World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money Quarter Finalist: £24,050
World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money Last 16: £16,000
World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money Last 32: £12,000
World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money Last 48: £8200
World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money Last 64: £4600
World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money Stage 1 high break: £1000
World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money Stage 2 high break: £10,000
World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money Stage 1 max: £5000
World Snooker Championship 2009 Prize Money Stage 2 max: £147,000

good luck

Now who's being an ass? I think I pretty clearly said that Efren couldn't compete against the top players - he doesn't have the long potting game that they do. He would tie them up in knots though, I promise. Also both him and Jose are pushing 60 so I don't think they're going to be taking up any new games at this stage.

Besides, I happen to know that in the late 80s, Parica was in a hotel room in Miami giving a guy the 6, 7, 8, 9 and the BREAK on a BARBOX playing 9-ball and betting $60,000 a GAME!! Both him and Efren both have won plenty of money of years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nLrj9dMSfY
 
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Reyes could not compete in the amateur game, in fact there is not one single"pool" player that I know of that could compete at the amateur game. Hell, Steve Davis can't compete at the amateur game these days :D
 
Mark played english pool as have I and it is a different game than American 8 ball, much more tactical so I can see it somewhat but really snooker and it's tactical play is as most games unto itself.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Jz2m_fkM8&feature=related

Thanks for the above links - I noticed this match in the 'related videos'. Watch the shot Nick plays at about 5:30. He told me that after the match Ronnie came up and asked for a banking lesson - he totally did not see Nick's shot coming.
Although bankshots are norm of the pool and seldom used/seen in snooker, that one on youtube was nothing of the sort that would make a player like Ronnie crouch for getting lessons. Confidently, I can assertain that snooker players may be "weak" at breaking and most likely at jump shots, which are never experienced in snooker. Myself being reasonably good at both snooker and pool games, I've never once tried a jump (used only cushions or massé shots) but pretty good at breaks and banks.
 
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